During a recent interview with Tucker Carlson, Senator Ted Cruz invoked Genesis 12:3—"I will bless those who bless you, and curse those who curse you"—to justify unconditional U.S.
Within the current context, this may be the most important newsletter you have published Thus far, and the others have been meritorious, indeed. THANKS FOR THIS NEEDED CLARIFICATION. It may help to save lives
I believe the devils greatest deception is and has been Christian Zionism. I argue daily on X/Twitter trying to convince Christians Zionist that they are supporting evil. I provide scriptural proof but apparently their hearts are hardened and don't want to know the truth.
The devil has convince them that the people that deny Jesus Christ and still to this day brag about killing him are the God's chose people.
I pray they wake up to the truth before it's too late.
Dont show them scriptural proof. Show them the fences of apartheid. Show them burned churches of Gaza, Syria and Lebanon. Show them settlers raping, pillaging, murdering. Show them the satanic ritual abuse cults, child trafficking, pornography, paedophilia. Show them that the Star of David is Metatron's Cube from Jewish mystic Kabbalah. Shiw them that to 'bless Israel' is to bless the most evil, wicked, detestable nation on earth, on par with the colonial genocides of the British Empire, or current US occult hegemony.
I have that book on one of my tablets but haven't had the chance to read it.
It's encouraging to hear that as I have been getting frustrated that I was not helping anyone see the truth. But now that I see some people have actually abandoned dispensationalism it gives me the encouragement to keep engaging people on this subject. Maybe I'll look into the star and use it to try to get my point across.
Dispensationalism Defines the Timeline of man on the earth and is Very important to keep much of what we need to learn as we study the Bible "in it's own lane"!
That's the thing that killed it for me, and largely unknown by the vast majority of dispensationalists, because they don't know what Kabbalah is or what its eschatological goals are (or its 'messiah', the 'little YHWH' Metatron, the angel of the presence who receives all God's worship and who sits on God's throne, whose occult symbol flies in the centre of every single Israeli flag)
Don't tell me you haven't read Mein Kamp yet! Or the Russian hoax about the Protocols of Zion. I hear they're pretty popular with anti-semites looking for an excuse for their biogtry.
The political leaders will likely never be moved by the heart or reason, but most of the citizens of Israel can be moved though many will be unwitting victims to what appears to be an inevitable path either toward devastation or authoritarianism.
That's not all of the Jewish people and some of what you mention are lies. A friend of mine traveled to Israel and was expecting to see all that you mention and didn't see that. Instead she saw them give food to Palestinians who were there to try and kill them.
Secular, non-religious Israelis are largely like you describe. The religious Jews (Orthodox, ultra-Orthodox, 40% of population) are rabidly anti-Christian, just like their Government. Try open air preaching in Hebrew, like we did, or singing Isaiah 61:1-2 in Hebrew and then giving out tracts that show it points to Yeshua ben Yoseph mi Natzaret. The vicious antimissionaries will be on you faster than mosquitoes at summer solstice dusk and only then will the cracks in your belief that Israel is a "holy nation" start to show.
This is really a sickening thread- it is so full of hate and antisemitism which is bad enough but to use Jesus and his teachings to justify it is just repulsive. You all have the right to hate as much as you want but please don’t use the prince of peace who embodies mercy and grace to justify it.
‘I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich) and the slander of those who say that they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.'
-- Jesus Christ (Revelation 2:9)
'Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they will learn that I have loved you.'
-- Jesus Christ (Revelation 3:9)
'For you, brothers, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea. For you suffered the same things from your own countrymen as they did from the Jews who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out, and displease God and oppose all mankind by hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles that they might be saved—so as always to fill up the measure of their sins. But wrath has come upon them at last!'
-- St. Paul the Apostle (1 Thessalonians 2:14-17)
Strange how divorced your thoughts are from the occasional 'antisemitic' imprecations of the New Testament. Will you now condemn Jesus and Paul in your blind adherence to Darby and Scofield's Zionism?
First the Jews of Smyrna were Semitic middle eastern Jews, not Russian Cossack converts that this article is claiming most Jews are. Second it sounds as though Jesus is calling them the synagogue of satan not because Judaism is a satanic religion, but because he feels they are not following the laws and tenants of Gd. Jesus was a practicing Jew his entire life, Gd is the Gd of the Old Testament & the New Testament. I think he would call many of the posts here as coming from the church of satan as they don’t reflect the teachings of the church of Gd at all. I have never read such hate filled comments, and to somehow link this hate to the teachings of Christ is appalling.
I was hesitant to respond to this because I really feel like you and the others posting here have a real hatred for Jews and are trying to twist Christianity and the words of Jesus to somehow justify & support this hate. I do not think there is any reasoning with that sort of hatred. I think Gd mourns for his teachings to be used to justify something that is the exact opposite of what he’s called us to be. If you read the entire Bible and this is your take away I think you have lost the big picture. Hatred like this has caused so much suffering in the world throughout history and continues to do so it seems.
gosh! No one is hating Jews. Truth is hard to hear and I pray we will all be able to see it and have understanding hearts. The guys who killed Jesus weren't real Jews. Their father was Satan. Those in leadership today are their kin/seed of Satan. The Jewish people must be judged the way all of us need to be judged--as individuals. Wolves in sheep's clothing is real today!
So much confusion and deception. I pray the Lord exposes the darkness and saves all those who want to see truth.
If my heart is so filled with 'antisemitic hatred', please explain my deep friendships with:
Lebanese muslims
Iraqi muslims
Syrian Christians
Israeli Jews
Your mind is so tightly imprisoned in your ideological box, you're completely incapable of perceiving anything other than with the false lens of 'its all hatred.'
I hate what unbelief has made Talmudic Judaism into. I hate what Kabbalah sorcery has done to the Middle East. I hate the murder and violence of radical Islam. I hate the rotten fruit of bad trees, false prophets leading and being led astray.
I cannot hate the sorry individuals whose minds are imprisoned in infantile systems of fear-based thinking.
Plenty of Jewish people don't "brag about killing Jesus Christ"; in fact, I've never met one that does do that. I will stand with them because they are a conservative nation that hasn't bent the knee to post post post modern "woke" carp.
am an Israeli Jew who came to Christ. I am a born again. I oppose the actions of the Israeli government in Gaza and the occupied territories. I oppose the war on Iran in the sense that this can cause the death of millions of people. However, this artical is opening up a very dangerous door...the door that when is left ajar allows antisentisem and Jew hatred to spill out...denying Jews the right to define themselves or making such sweeping statments about Jews or Israelies can bring about a catastrophe. This article failed to mention that 1) When Jews were living in exile they were persecuted for hundreds of years and therefore do not have any other place to call home and to take refuge in. 2) There is a great awakening amongst Jews and Israelies of all denominations (including Israeli Muslims) to follow Yeshua.
3) There is a huge opposition amongst Israelis to Nethanyahu's policies and actions and its gaining traction by the minutes. Thousands take to the streets in Israel every day calling to end this madness...
I suggest that instead of spreading hatred by deligitimising one group or another (for example by bringing into the picture the Rothchileds and the world control theories) Pray! Pray for peace and most of all Pray for all beings to come to Christ. Don't try to convince others through a human biased perspective. Instead concentrate on the word of God and on prayer, we have no time to lose.
The whole point of the article was to show that Christians are deceived into thinking that the secular state of Israel is the Israel of the bible. It's not spreading hatred just because the topic is controversial. There are millions of Christians that believe this nonsense and it might cost them dearly when judgement day arrives. Do you believe we should just let them continue to believe a lie?
You cannot trust AI. It can be led around by the nose, contradicts itself, and when confronted with information it provides it will change its facts to what it thinks you want to hear. Full of hallucinations.
I’m sorry. Israel still has a place in God’s heart and is ground zero for many Bible prophecies still to be fulfilled. I do not buy into replacement theology.
Sorry, Becky. You wait in vain for the Bible prophecies to be fulfilled in or by the modern state of Israel. Jesus was the true Son of God, the true Israel of God. Old Cov Israel rejected their messiah and God ended their covenant status in 70 AD when He destroyed the earthly temple and set up the Jerusalem above.
Then why does the Bible speak of a future time of Jacob's trouble, or a time now where God is waiting for the fullness of Gentiles to be realized before He turns His attention back to Israel, and what about the quote in Zechariah 12:10
10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.
And all of the "grafted in" terminology in Romans is that the believing Gentiles are grafted in to the Jews. Without the remaining root the new graft will not exist. Yes, our only hope is in Jesus, but God is not going back on His promises to Abraham and His descendents. I'm surprised Truth About Cancer has fallen for replacement theology. Revelation makes it so clear that God has separate plans for both Jews and Gentiles.
Jacob's trouble--you don't think the destruction of the Temple and the levelling of the city of Jerusalem was trouble for Jacob? And regarding the separate plans for Jews and Gentiles, you do err in not seeing the whole plan was for God to gather all as one in Christ...you know, "neither Jew nor Greek" and all that. And, God did what he promised and fulfilled what He intended. You may wish to detract from the glorious fulfillment of Christ's mission by looking to earthly matters, but I'll stick with the Apostle John, who saw through the earthly to the heavenly, which is why he was the Apostle whom Jesus loved. :)
You are 100 % in agreement with true apostolic context! Keep sowing seeds! Hopefully, many will fall on good ground. Truth is the only way the kingdom will keep advancing. False premises like dispensationalism must be taught away! I pray God bless you, your work and your sphere in Jesus' name
I think the idea of a separate plans is heretical. Jesus said He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life and no man comes to the Father but by Him (John 14:6).
Yes, I can see how the way I said it sounds heretical, but if you read Revelation it's clear that the church is treated differently in the end, than the Jews. Yes, we're all saved by Jesus and no other way. Abraham's faith was counted to him as righteousness. Jesus is our righteousness.
Believing gentiles are grafted into believing Jews. And the Zechariah passage did indeed happen during the first century, the last days of the old covenant.
It doesn’t say “grafted into believing Jews”……you’re adding to the word of God! Plus why would God go to all the trouble to describe Jesus return to Israel to save 1/3 of that Nation….and why would He go into great description of Jerusalem being a burdensome stone and those who trouble themselves with her shall be cut to pieces….though ALL THE EARTH BE AGAINST HER….and further describing how the people flee after a huge earthquake that splits the mount of Olives……and God promises to destroy all nations that come against Jerusalem?? And Jesus coming to the Mt. of Olives? Why does God go to all this effort to describe the future of Israel if Jesus fulfilled all of this in His coming? Every jot and ever title of Gods word will be fulfilled! God NEVER EVER GOES BACK ON HIS PROMISES…nor does He not fulfill His spoken word! There is a further for the State of Israel….God says so! And He does not Lie!
In Romans 9:6, it states: “Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:” So who is Israel? Paul explains in v. 8: "This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.” And in 9:27, Paul quotes Isa. 10:22-23: "Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved, for the Lord will carry out his sentence upon the earth fully and without delay.” And this is what happened in AD 70 and about which Jesus spoke in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. And God did bring that judgement against Israel and He punished the nations (namely Rome and the Edomites) who attacked unbelieving Israel. Everything happened on time, without delay, in THAT generation, 2000 years ago, as Jesus said it would. Time stamps matter. That is not the “future” for the modern nation-state of Israel.
As for the modern nation-state of Israel, I want it to thrive and be blessed by God as I ask for our own country and all the nations of the world. I want us to make disciples of these nations as Jesus commands us and for each nation to have a future (as I want our country to have). I want to see all tongues, tribes, people, and nations responding to the Gospel. I oppose all hatred against Israel, the nation-state of today. And like any other ally, we need to help protect them from evil people who would want to destroy them.
But the Israel of God that we need to bless are the people of God in the Church—Jew and Gentile. For instance, the Christians in Nigeria, Ethiopia, the Congo etc. being slaughtered. In Galatians, Paul explains in 6:15-16, “For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. And as for all who walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them and upon the Israel of God.” In Galatians 3:7, Paul states, "Understand, then, that those who have faith are sons of Abraham.” In this respect, it seems clear that the Israel of God are the new creatures in Christ, whether Jewish or Gentile.
He does not lie: “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit” (Mt. 21:43).
Ezekiel 36-39 is a fascinating prophecy that has not taken place. Ezekiel was in exile, their nation was no more after 586bc. And this amazing prophecy is given to Ezekiel. The people are back in the land, (36), spiritually dead toward God, (37)We all are familiar with the dry bones). The nation is attacked with Russia, Iran and Turkey and some smaller nations bringing a land invasion to destroy the nation, (38-39). this coalition is forming in our time. The Lord rises up and destroys the invading nations supernaturally, not because Israel was faithful, they were not! He does it for His name sake! Read this prophecy. Then Israel and the nations will know that the Lord is God.
Ezekiel 39:7-8 “so I will make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel, and I will not let them profane My holy name anymore. Then the nations shall know that I am the Lord, the Holy One in Israel. Surely it is coming, and it shall be done, says the Lord God. This the day of which I have spoken.
I completely agree with you and don't see how any have been led to believe all the prophesies have been completed in 70 AD and therefore God has no love (tough or merciful) for His original chosen people anymore!
I have learned, though, that the "prince of Rosh" (Ez 38:2) is not referring to Russia. That theory was created during the Cold War, just because Rosh sounds like Russia in the English translation. The correct translation is "the chief prince of Mesheck and Tubal" which are in Turkey. Rosh means "chief" or "top" as in Rosh Hashana. No one translates that holiday as Russia Hashana :-) . Turkey and Russia are already bedfellows so God has even brought an incorrect interpretation into a possibility it seems. Hallelujah. I pray this culminates during my life time. Maranatha, may the whole world see Jesus seated on His throne, high and lifted up, worthy is the Lamb!
What’s your perspective on the fact that so many Jews are clearly descendants of Europeans and not natives of the land they say belongs to them by descent. Put a pig in a stable, it foes not become a horse, and if that were the case, most scholars say Africans are the the original people so on that basis are the true Jews, as all people originate from the African root….
He may not have fit YOUR requirements of the Messiah, but one cannot argue with G-d's validation of the True Israel of God, the true Son who did everything the nation of Israel failed repeatedly to do as the priest to the nations. Israel was set at the crossroad of civilization between 3 continents for the purpose of being priest to nations. Think about this, dear Hershel, if indeed the historic nation of Israel HAD fulfilled God's mandate to be a priest to the nations, the Temple would not have been destroyed and Jews would still be sacrificing bulls and goats. Speaking of following the law, how can the present Jewish nation be following Levitical law when no sacrifices are being made?
He WAS anointed with oil in Mark 14:3 “And while he was at Bethany in the house of Simon the leper, as he was reclining at table, a woman came with an alabaster flask of ointment of pure nard, very costly, and she broke the flask and poured it over his head.”
Nard is a fragrant oil derived from a plant that was used for anointing and burial rituals in biblical times.
By the way, Messiah means Anointed One. Look at Is. 61:1 and Luke 4:18 to see how God anointed him.
Read Isaiah 53. Come back and tell me who that describes. It isn't the one that makes the modern Israelites rule the world. The issue with the Jews is that they were looking to rule the land, and when Jesus saved souls and didn't make them kings, they killed him.
No, Libertarian54. God's foundational covenant made to Abraham and what would become Israel is absolutely unconditional and it is everlasting. His gifts and calling are irrevocable and He keeps His Word, and He does this for the honor and glory of His Name. He will uphold His promises no matter what. He has a plan and He is working His plan.
Susan, your heart is right but your narrative is wrong. You need to understand that Christ has already fulfilled the Law and the Prophets and all the covenants in His first advent. What need is there to futurize what has already been fulfilled? The Adamic Covenant is fulfilled - 1 Cor 15:45-47; the Abrahamic Covenant is fulfilled - Gal 3:16-17; the Mosaic Covenant is fulfilled - Heb 10:11-18; The Davidic Covenant is fulfilled - Acts 2:29-36. Since 70 A.D. the church on earth is concerned with ONLY ONE COVENANT....that being the New Covenant - Heb 8:13. Forget the term replacement theology. Read the context of Hebrews. If you think you have to wait on a future fulfillment by a godless United Nation state to raise up a special, old covenant practice in order for the end to come....then I cannot say or suggest anything to help you. Despite your interpretation...May God bless you for your faithfulness to Him
I'd like to add another important element to the return of Christ. Most Christians understand that Jesus' first coming fulfilled the Spring feasts of that year. He has yet to fulfill the Fall feasts, but will do so in His second coming. The reasons for the feasts He will fulfill fit perfectly with their Jewish traditions, as He did in His first coming. God is exact, and doesn't want any to perish, including His chosen people, the seed of Abraham's child of promise, Isaac.
Those of us grafted in cannot remain unless the root also remains. Their faith (as ours) will be reckoned to them as righteousness and they will see Jesus whom they pierced and will mourn, and humbly receive their true Messiah.
And in this you err, greatly, because you assume the root is Israel, rather than FAITH, the centrepiece of Paul's theology in Romans.
FAITH is the root of the living branches. The UNBELIEVING branches are cut off. Always! BELIEVING branches are grafted in, Jew and Gentile.
You will never, ever understand Romans 11 as long as you think the root is Israel. The root is FAITH in Jesus Christ, the True Root than joins Jew and Gentile into ONE PEOPLE OF GOD forever, with one purpose.
Wow, you've really made some wild interpretations with God's word. I believe it's supposed to be understood plainly. There may be other levels of understanding, but the plain interpretation, in the context in which it was written, is the first source. If Paul meant faith is the root he would have been perfectly capable of saying so. The whole of the chapter goes against your teaching, eg verse 25.
Amen! I am saddened by so many Christians being deceived. There is so much more to be fulfilled from biblical prophecy! I don’t understand how they think those parts already have. Boggles the mind.
Old Covenant Jews rejected the Messiah. Here are a few verses that pertain to the Kingdom of Israel which were never Jews (not to be confused with the Kingdom of Judah) that ceased to be a nation in 750 BC after the Assyrian captivity.
Isaiah_7:8 For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and within threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken, that it be not a people.
This was the Kingdom of Israel before the Assyrian captivity. God sent the Assyrians because the House of Israel worshipped other gods.
Esdras describes how these lost sheep migrated over the Caucus mountains and populated Europe and eventually to all western nations.
1Peter_2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
These are the dispersed of the Kingdom of Israel, not the Kingdom of Judah.
I understand that all the promises of God are and were fulfilled in Christ...to the glory of God. If you wish to detract from the glory of God and look to earthly fulfillment by an earthly people, you are free to do so, but do not think that is to the glory of God. Jesus said "I am from above. You are from below." Again, you are free to live and think in terms of "this world" but I'll hang with Jesus, who was not of this world. Old Cov Israel had a time-delimited purpose and function in the outworking of God's plan of redemption. That purpose has been fulfilled and now we see the Jerusalem that is above. The Jerusalem that "is" (during the writing of Hebrews) was destroyed on time and on purpose, so that we would know, without a doubt, that had brought the Old Cov to its final end and fulfillment in Christ.
But there are still stones there one upon another... God promised an unconditional one-way covenant with Abraham. He didn't put a time frame on it. There was no "if...then" clause!
Jesus, Paul, Peter, and John the Revelator did indeed put time delimiters on the end of the Old Covenant. One merely has to believe that God and his inspired writers and speakers could tell time and meant what they said when they wrote that the time was near and that the First Century generation would see the end of the Old Covenant. While one can speculate on the many metaphors, types, and figures of speech in Scripture, I cannot argue with the time element. When Jesus said "this generation," he meant this generation, not ours 20 centuries later. It's a question of believing Jesus and the inspired text and inspired authors or not. I choose to believe what I read.
Actually, all of us are very unaware how much bias we use when we interpret scripture to build our case. "Generation" "Soon" "Quickly" "Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of Gentiles has come in, and in this way all Israel will be saved."
Iesus Chrestus Titus, Vespasian was Archangel Micheal God, Armour of God,to be crucified means accursed,letter J was only invented in 1524 , Israel was Jacobs name not a place, Israelites were Greek Hebrews were Asian Greeks Fallen Angels.
Agreed. Replacement theology is a cancer and it has taken the truther movement way off course for many. Read Ezekiel 36-30 and understand that Jesus returns to the Mount of Olives to save Israel.
The grafting in (Romans 11) shows Gentiles are added to God’s plan alongside Israel, not replacing them. Ezekiel 36–39’s promises of regathering (partially fulfilled in 1948) and future spiritual renewal, combined with Jesus’ return to save Israel (Zechariah 12:10, Romans 11:26), confirm that ethnic Israel and the modern state remain relevant. Replacement theology contradicts these scriptures by dismissing Israel’s distinct role and God’s irrevocable covenant.
Your referring to the Old Testament that was fulfilled and nailed to the cross by Jesus? Colossians 2:14
We are the new testament church, please build your theology from the New Testament. Otherwise there was no need for Jesus to come and bring the new covenant if the old was saving anyone.
Of course, all our sins are nailed to the cross, but not the Old Testament! There are still many prophecies in the Old Testament that are yet to be fulfilled in the future, including teachings about the Old Testament and the nation of Israel. The beauty of the cross does not invalidate ethnic Israel's role now and in the future. There is a vast difference between testament and covenant. We are under a new covenant (promises) with God as believers in Christ. However, both testaments still attest to the truth about the future and clearly "all Israel will be saved," and the fact that Jesus returns to the Mount of Olives (Zacheria) and the fact that Ezekiel 36-39 clearly is talking about the lands and ethnic Israel show that replacement theology is absolutely incorrect. Read Ezekiel 36-39 with an open mind, and you will see there is a reason this article steps around it. It clearly debunks replacement theology. So does the fact that being grafted in, being the tree of Israel (Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob), not the church. Replacement theology contradicts these scriptures by dismissing Israel’s distinct role and God’s irrevocable covenant.
Thank you for explaining this so well! So many “Christians” think the OT is no longer relevant. It reminds me of how the Jews don’t believe in the NT. We must study, know, teach and cling to BOTH.
Missy, thank you for your kind words! I agree—both Testaments reveal God’s plan, like Ezekiel 36–39 and Romans 11:26, showing Israel’s future, with Gentiles grafted in. Israel’s nearly 200,000 Christians reflect this hope. Let’s keep studying Scripture together to see God’s promises unfold!
Colossians 2:14 clearly says “the handwriting of requirements” which is clear that the OT law was fulfilled by Christ and nailed to the cross. Dispensationalism is a modern concoction that is a false gospel….stop listening to false teachers and read the Word so God does the teaching… for the last 1800 years nobody believed this nonsense until modern dispensationalism spoon fed satans deception to the church. Look it up…
@Mark. The Old Testament "law" was nailed to the cross, not the entire Old Testament. Again, many prophecies in the Old Testament were fulfilled after Christ's death on the cross, and many are yet to be fulfilled. And please refrain from using terms like dispensationalism to avoid addressing the questions about Ezekiel 36-39, Romans 11, and Zechariah 14. We're talking scripture, and your hatred of different beliefs, accusing me of believing in a different gospel when I teach the gospel of being saved by faith alone every week, is very sad. Don't ignore the clear teachings in the scriptures above in favor of you judging those who don't believe exactly like you do. Explain the 3 scriptures above, please, vs. throwing terms around and accusing people of false gospels.
We're not under a new covenant.That's for the Jews who believe on Jesus Christ
During the great tribulation, and enter into the 1000 year millennial rain.That's when that new covenant takes effect.We have a new testament ministry big difference. A covenant is between 2 parties. A will is written by 1 person and gives.
To whom he wills, you don't have a part in that. Gentiles or the body of christ did not break the old covenant of moses.
Rick, for context, you should reread Rom 2:28-29, 9:6; Gal 3:16, 28-29. These are just a few of many. I suggest you take of your dispensational filter if you really want to find the truth
@Randall, I teach on Romans and Galatians all the time, and they do not invalidate Romans 11, Zechariah 12:10, and Ezekiel 36-39. This is not a "dispensational filter," it's what the scriptures clearly teach (most too lazy to read all 4 chapters of Ezekiel 36-39 with an open mind). Replacement theology contradicts these scriptures by dismissing Israel’s distinct role and God’s irrevocable covenant. Explain Ezekiel 36-39 and Romans 11:26 and Zechariah 12:10 for me if you are trying to support replacement theology. Replacement theology is a cancer that has led many astray into thinking ethnic Israel is irrelevant when these scriptures clearly teach it is relevant.
We are brothers in 2 different camps and I'm sure you love Jesus as much as I. Obviously, we interpret scripture from different narratives. For space and time let's consider one scripture. Written around 60 A.D., Rom 11:26 "and so all Israel will be saved...". The context for Paul's statement is made from the previous parts of the letter for his case in point.
Premise #1 Rom 2:28-29 Here Paul is redefining what it means to be a Jew since Christ's ascension around 30 A.D. Remember, that in this 40 year period of time to 70 A.D. the apostles are teaching the nations the gospel of the kingdom. Paul, in contending for the faith, is fighting against Jews who are undermining the foundational teachings of Jesus in every location he has been. Judaism and the Old Covenant are no longer part of the New Covenant in Christ and was currently being phased out forever according to Heb 8:13. Therefore, Paul is clear that circumcision no longer has any merit and that NOW a Jew is only determined by the Holy Spirit circumcising the heart. The Old Covenant nor Judaism can never accomplish this change. Only the Holy Spirit can make this transition in a heart. So, the context of Ezekiel 36:26-27, Jer 31:31-33 and Is 59:21 is fulfilled by the descent of Holy Spirit to earth in Acts 2. There's no dual fulfillment of those prophecies. The initiation of the new covenant came in the first advent of Christ and it "WAS" the new thing that all the prophets foretold. If anyone wants to label that as "replacement theology" then be my guest. However, the words "fulfilled theology" is a much more accurate description. By futurizing these prophecies, saying they are yet to happen, you're actually displacing a sure and absolute prophecy and creating another place and time for such an event. Ponder that.
Premise #2 Look at Rom 8:14 along with Gal 3:14. Both agree that it's the Holy Spirit that makes us sons of God and sons of Abraham. Nothing else! If so, then how does ethnicity, bloodline, gender, location, etc., render any privilege over anyone else or anything else. Paul is hammering, "it doesn't"! Gal 3:28, Col 3:10-11, 1 Cor 12:13 also implies the same context.
Premise #3 Rom 9:6 "For they are not all Israel whom are of Israel". Being a national Jew isn't what makes one the holy nation of God.
Premise #4 Rom 9:27 Only "the remnant will be saved." Only those Jews who believed in Jesus as Messiah were the remnant. It has nothing to do with us in 2025. Paul's audience was the Jews of that day who were about to be annihilated by the Romans in 66-70 A.D.
Premise #5 "So all Israel will be saved". The context of saved here isn't what we think of as praying the sinners prayer. For them in 60 A.D. it was literal, saved from death from war. The same context as Jesus Olivet Discourse in Matt 24:13, Mark 13:20, Luke 21:22. According to historical documents the Messianic Jews avoided the Roman occupation by moving to the mountains of Judea. Every last Jewish believer who had faith in Jesus as Messiah and believed His words escaped and were not murdered during those days of vengeance All the remnant... whom Paul defined as spiritual Jews and no longer loyal to the old covenant(s) and the land were physically saved. And they indeed possessed the promised land heaven. In contrast, the natural land was filled with millions of dead carcasses just as in the days of Joshua and Caleb when God would not allow that evil generation to possess the natural promised land...read Num 14:26-35. Forty years coming out of Egypt and forty years coming out of spiritual Egypt Rev 11:8.
Conclusion: A very condensed version. Scripturally, Father Abraham received the covenant (only) because of faith, not ethnicity. Isaac embraced it. Jacob the supplanter had to be changed to became Israel the covenant nation. Fast forward to Apostle Paul. Faithful Israel represents the elect. The elect were those Paul calls the remnant. The remnant was faithful Israel consisting of believers (not national Israel). Israel was the new nation of Jews. The new Jews according to the apostles were those in whom the Holy Spirit resided. NO SPIRIT = NO COVENANT. A lot to consider...but don't hate the messenger!
@Randall, I’m grateful we’re brothers in Christ, loving Jesus and His Word!
Your “fulfilled theology” sees Romans 11:26 as first-century believers saved in 70 AD, with Ezekiel 36:26–27 fulfilled at Pentecost. I agree the New Covenant began with Christ (Hebrews 8:13), but Scripture shows ethnic Israel’s future role.
Romans 11:17–24’s olive tree is Israel’s covenant: “But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in… do not be arrogant toward the branches” (ESV). Gentiles join, but ethnic Jews (natural branches) remain, with “all Israel” saved (Romans 11:26: “And in this way all Israel will be saved”).
Ezekiel 36:24’s regathering—“I will… gather you… into your own land” (ESV)—partly fits 1948’s Israel (nearly 200,000 Christians among 9.9 million), awaiting spiritual renewal (v. 26).
Zechariah 12:10—“when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced” (ESV)—predicts Israel’s repentance at Jesus’ return.
Romans 11:29 says God’s gifts are “irrevocable,” refuting replacement theology.
Ethnic Israel clearly has a future role. Let's pray for peace in Jerusalem and across the world. :-)
God's covenant with Israel was fulfilled through the True Israel of God, the Faithful Son. The geopolitical state of Israel today is not a stand-in for the True Israel, Jesus, the One in whom God was well pleased. Neither the Old Covenant nation of Israel nor the present geopolitical entity of the same name answer to the promises of God. Remember, "All the promises of God in Him (Jesus) are YES and AMEN to the glory of God." We detract from God's glory by trying to find a "Yes" in a geopolitical entity.
@Libertarian54, I truly appreciate your heart for Jesus and your passion for the truth of God’s Word. I hear you emphasizing Christ as the fulfillment of God’s promises, and I wholeheartedly agree that in Him, all promises are “Yes and Amen” (2 Cor. 1:20). Your focus on Jesus as the True Israel is beautiful, and I share your desire to give God all the glory.
I’d love to gently share that I see scriptures like Romans 11:26, Ezekiel 36-39, and Zechariah 12:10 pointing to a distinct role for ethnic Israel in God’s redemptive plan, not as a replacement for Christ’s work but as a complement to it. For example, Romans 11:26 speaks of “all Israel” being saved in a way that seems to include a future restoration tied to the Jewish people, and Ezekiel 36-39 describes a regathering and spiritual renewal of Israel that feels specific to their covenant identity. I believe these passages can coexist with the truth that Jesus is the ultimate fulfillment of God’s promises, without diminishing His glory.
I’d be honored to hear more of your thoughts—how do you see these specific scriptures fitting into your view? Let’s keep seeking the Lord together with open hearts. Much love in Christ! Rick
It isn't replacement theology. Not in the least. Who did Christ come to? The Jews. How were the Jews saved? By grace through faith in Christ. Gentiles are grafted in. The ethic Jews still following the law are not saved. They must follow Christ. And some will in the end. They will weep for the ones before them. How does this all happen? The world comes against Israel. Come on now, they seat the antichrist. When they are surrounded and about to be totally wiped out, only 2/3 inherit hell. They with gentiles in rebellion to God will curse God for eternity. Those who are saved will see that Christ WAS their messiah. Right now, they are apostate. Some follow the old law and you see the men who don't cut the sides of their hair. That does nothing to save them. The law was to show that they can't meet the requirements of holy perfection. The saved ones, either by following Christ now or in years past follow Christ. They are the mission field. The ones that Jesus said were not Jews would include the Khazars. Satanyahu wants so badly for everyone to think he is a good little Jew. He is much more like the warrior Khazar people. He has lied about nukes since 1996. He loves genocide. That is not of God, even of the Old Testament. On the world of Satanyahu, America killed over half a million Iraqis. Their blood is on our hands. IDF snipers (aren't they supposed to be experts?) have put two bullets in many children of Gaza. That isn't of God. Burning a toddler child of Gaza and chanting "Ali's on the fire" while dancing and celebrating is not of God either. The people of the concentration camp have run Gaza as an open-air prison, killing many Palestinians to remove them from their homes. Of God? Not the God that I serve.
You have been blinded by zionism, a political ideology that has used Judaism as a front. Do you know how many Jewish people want the genocide to stop? A LOT. You join the ranks of the brainwashed. But it isn't too late. This has never been about their right to exist. It has been about global control. Christianity does not seek political control and neither does true Judaism.
I'd guess you've been blinded by the MSM and the Palestinian movement who want nothing more than to wipe Israel off the map. HAMAS/ISIS and all the rest use Islaam as a cover for their political movement to control the world, too.
Israel was never replaced. It has always consisted of BELIEVERS IN THE PROMISE, either Jew or Gentile.
Unbelievers of all ages were destroyed: Shiloh (1 Sam); Solomon's Temple (Jeremiah, Ezekiel), Second Temple (Matt. 24, Lk. 21, Mk 13).
2025 Geopolitical Israel is a Christ-hating nation of unbelievers whose destiny is the same.
But out of that morass, individuals may still repent and come to faith, just like Paul (Rom. 11:1-6). Paul points to himself, a Jew of the tribe of Benjamin, unbeliever, persecutor of the church, who repented and came to faith because of the grace of God towards him, "a remnant chosen by grace" (Rom. 11:5). If unbelievers in geopolitical Israel refuse to repent like Paul did, their destiny is PERDITION.
The Bible tells no other story of salvation, not in the least Darby and Scofield's twisted Kabbalist version which yoh have sadly swallowed as I once did.
Wow. A "Christ-hating nation"? No. Nearly 200,000 Christians live in peace in Israel, and the nation welcomes Christians with open arms (unlike many Muslim nations who truly hate Christians). I think almost everyone on this board believes in the same Gospel of being saved by Christ alone, so your attack is unfounded when setting up a strawman false argument that those who disagree with you on Israel believe in a different gospel (very sad). Please quit putting people in a box and review Romans 11 (all Israel will be saved), Zechariah 12:10, and Ezekiel 36-39. They clearly refute replacement theology.
As a former missionary in Israel I can safely assert you know *nothing* of the rabid antichrist nature of their religious authorities. Christians in Israel are resented, hated, persecuted, discriminated against.
Like the night in Jerusalem, Rosh HaShanah 2007 we were violently assaulted by a riot of 200+ ultra Orthodox.
Like the time in Bnei Barak we were assaulted in the marketplace and had bricks thrown at us.
Like the time we were in Hebron and the Arab muslims set fire to one of the girl's hair and swore to kill us if we returned.
Like the time in Haifa when the antimissionaries found us dining in a restaurant and overturned our table and ran us out.
You dont even know their flag is literally flying the Kabbalist symbol of satan, Metatron's Cube, right in front of your face.
How can you possibly know the deception and violence of the most wicked nation on earth besides America when you sit in a comfortable armchair far away, pretending your warped theology is an excuse for knowledge?
Dispensationalists: the most brainwashed Christians on earth. Because I wad one, once. GOOD RIDDANCE TO DISPENSATIONALISM'S UTTER HERESY, and most of all, their blind, uncritical support for satan's empire in the middle east.
I’m deeply sorry for the violence you faced in Israel—those experiences hurt, and I pray for your healing. We share faith in Christ alone for salvation, uniting us.
My view isn’t tied to dispensationalism but to Scripture.
Romans 11:17–18 says, “You, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in… do not be arrogant toward the branches” (ESV). The olive tree is Israel’s covenant, with Gentiles joining, not replacing ethnic Jews.
Romans 11:26 promises, “All Israel will be saved” (ESV). Ezekiel 36:24—“I will… gather you… into your own land” (ESV)—fits 1948’s Israel (nearly 200,000 Christians).
Zechariah 12:10 foretells Israel’s repentance.
Let’s pray for peace, not division. Can we explore Romans 11, Ezekiel 36–39, or Zechariah 12 together?
For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God. (Romans 2:28-29)
For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. (Romans 9:6-8)
Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. (Galatians 3:7)
You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bear fruit in keeping with repentance. And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham. Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.(Matthew 3:7-10)
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! Behold, your house is forsaken. And I tell you, you will not see me until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!’(Luke 13:34-35)
But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian [the Mosaic Covenant], for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise. (Galatians 3:26-29)
For he himself [Christ] is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. (Ephesians 2:14-16)
———
It is only believing ethnic Israelites, like Paul (Rom. 9:1-2, where he mentions his individual conversion as a son of Benjamin), who are included in “The Israel of God.” The rest are cut off, but they can return if they repent as individuals and believe in Christ for salvation, the same method as the unbelieving Gentiles (Romans 11):
And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. (Romans 11:23)
This verse has a clear inference: If they continue in unbelief, they remain cut off.
So is the geopolitical entity “Israel” in 2025 continuing in belief or unbelief? Are they in or are the out? And so I force you into an inescapable trap.
If 2025 “Israel” is continuing in belief, why do they commit so many unspeakable horrors against Christians, against children, against their neighbours and brothers (Lev. 19:18 - Love your neighbour)? So you have a nation whose fruits are not keeping with repentance, exactly as John the Baptist said against the Pharisees 2000 years ago, whose ultimate destiny is to perish utterly, just like the unbelieving Pharisees did in 70 A.D.
If 2025 “Israel” is continuing in unbelief, then on what basis do they merit the blessings of living in the land? Because of the Mosaic Covenant? God says over and over, from Deuteronomy through the prophets, unbelief leads to certain exile and death; belief leads to reconcilitation, peace and life (excellent example in Saul, 1 Chr. 10:13-14, which specifically mentions handing the Kingdom over to a believer, David, which is analagous to taking the Kingdom from ethnic Israel and giving it over to the Gentiles, Matt. 21:43).
But the dispensationalist must warp the ENTIRE bible to say ethnic Israel is exempt; they may be blessed for continuing in unbelief, they may enjoy the fruits of the land, they may live unwalled and at peace (compare Deut. 28:1-14; Lev 26:3-13, esp vv.5-6 with Ezek. 38:8, 11 “a people dwelling securely without walls” infers the position of BELIEF in Lev. 26:3, 5-6); they may succeed against their foes in battle, they may expand their territory by trampling on the blood of the goyyim.
Ezekiel 38:8 & 11 imply the BELIEVING CONDITION of Lev. 26:3, 5-6. Your doctrine that God restores unbelieving Israel to the land is such a gross abberation of the teaching of all Scripture from Gen 3 and following. Nowhere at anytime is unbelieving Israel ever rewarded with “dwelling securely without walls”, the contorted and self-contradictory reading of dispensationalism.
When Israel rejected Christ by crucifying Him, they accepted the curse of Deut. 18:18-19:
“And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him.”
And require it He did.
Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruits. And the one who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; and when it falls on anyone, it will crush him. (Matt. 21:43-44)
As an arborist I must say if the axe goes to the root then the graft will also die. There are no true believers unless Abraham's promised child, Isaac's descendants, also survive. Thank God!
@JP, Thanks for your zeal for Jesus—we’re united in trusting Christ alone for salvation!
I’m sorry for the pain you faced in Israel; I pray for healing. My view isn’t dispensationalism but Scripture.
Romans 11:17–18 says, “You, a wild olive shoot, were grafted in… do not be arrogant toward the branches”. The olive tree is Israel’s covenant; Gentiles join, not replace, ethnic Jews.
Romans 11:26 promises, “All Israel will be saved”, beyond believers, as
Romans 11:28–29 notes Israel’s “irrevocable” election: “They are beloved… the gifts… are irrevocable.” Ezekiel 36:24—“I will… gather you… into your own land” —fits 1948’s Israel (nearly 200,000 Christians), with renewal coming (v. 26), done for God’s name (v. 22), not belief (contra Ezekiel 38:8).
Zechariah 12:10 foretells repentance: “when they look on… him whom they have pierced”.
Matthew 21:43 transfers the kingdom but doesn’t nullify Israel’s role. Israel’s challenges exist, but nearly 200,000 Christians thrive there.
Can we discuss Romans 11, Ezekiel 36–39, or Zechariah 12?
Thanks so much for sharing that, and your gentle patience in explaining over and over. I am so glad I learned of Darby and Scoff-ield's utter twisting. I have found that once lies have been believed, it's so awfully hard to expose the deception and they hold to their false views NO MATTER WHAT. but we must make a few attempts at least to reach those -- as I was once deceived in many things also, not just by false commentaries, by polluted Bible versions too, like the ESV, NIV and all copyrighted versions, and the Israel Bible, etc. Like Titus 3:9-11, I made far too many attempts, until finally knowing they were subverted and could not be reached. But to keep praying they will. Praying for Rick that his faith is in the real Jesus Christ and not that imposter "other jesus", or "other gospel." Blessings!
It is indeed as Charles Mackay said in his book, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds:
"Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one."
This is very true of Zionists who, no matter how much death, destruction, lies and unbelief their position reaps in the world, they only dig their heels in deeper and refuse to repent, just as the Jerusalem-defending Pharisees before them.
@Linda Thanks for encouraging study—I agree we should dig into Scripture!
The “Israel of God” in Galatians 6:16 means believers, Jew and Gentile, grafted into God’s plan (Romans 11:17–24). However, Romans 11:26 states, “all Israel will be saved.” At the same time, Zechariah 12:10 shows Jews turning to Jesus, and Ezekiel 36–39 predicts Israel’s regathering and a new heart—future events for ethnic Israel, not just the Church.
Israel’s nearly 200,000 Christians live peacefully, unlike in some nations. We all trust Christ alone for salvation. Can we discuss Romans 11 or Ezekiel? Replacement theology misses Israel’s covenant role.
“All Israel”, the Jew ,the Gentile the ‘whosoever’ is the Israel of God. This is your ALL ISRAEL and as you point out in Zechariah. Jews did come to Jesus and even now, still do.
Abraham’s natural seed includes all his physical descendants—Ishmael and Isaac, Jacob and Esau, Jews and Arabs alike. Yet God made clear that lineage descent doesn’t guarantee inheritance of the covenant (Genesis 17:19-21; Romans 9:7).
the natural seed refers specifically to Jacob’s descendants—the nation of Israel. While this group received unique privileges (Romans 9:4-5), even they weren’t guaranteed spiritual blessings without faith (Jeremiah 4:4).
Abraham’s spiritual seed encompasses all true believers in Christ, whether Jew or Gentile. As Paul explains it, "IF you belong to Christ, THEN you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise" (Galatians 3:29). Covenant language.
The singular Seed is Christ Himself (Galatians 3:16). Every spiritual blessing flows through Jesus alone,
ethnic Israel was preserved through faith (Romans 11:5), the majority were hardened in unbelief. Significantly, even Jewish believers only entered this new covenant community through faith, not ethnic privilege, just as Gentile believers were grafted in as wild branches (Romans 11:17-24). Read Stephen’s words in Acts
Thanks for your thoughtful reply—I’m grateful we both love Jesus and His Word! I agree that believers, Jew and Gentile, are Abraham’s spiritual seed (Galatians 3:29), but ethnic Israel still has a role.
Romans 11:17–18 says, “You, a wild olive shoot, were grafted in… do not be arrogant toward the branches” (ESV). The olive tree is Israel’s covenant, with Gentiles joining, not replacing Jews.
Romans 11:26 promises, “All Israel will be saved” (ESV), and Ezekiel 36:24—“I will… gather you… into your own land” (ESV)—points to 1948’s Israel (nearly 200,000 Christians) and future renewal.
Zechariah 12:10 shows Israel’s repentance.
Stephen’s speech (Acts 7) rebukes unbelief, not Israel’s covenant, per Romans 11:29.
Let’s pray for peace. Can we discuss Romans 11:26 or Ezekiel 36?
Attempting to persuade Christian Zionists is sadly as effective as banging your head against a wall. I was one. Nothing was ever going to persuade me that geopolitical Israel has no function in God's plan of salvation.
I have since learned that this Rothschild parasite of the middle east is but the beachhead of the slowly forming Satanic World Empire that shall ultimately be home to the Antichrist and shall be the Talmudic spearhead which will eventually persecute and devastate Christianity worldwide. Our blood shall run at their hands and noone will stop them, until He Comes to reward His faithful martyrs.
I totally agree with you. God made a promise to Abraham and He doesn’t change His mind. So many Christian’s think the church is the chosen people. The Bible says the gentiles were grafted in with the Jews after Jesus died for our sins. We have the privilege of being one of God’s chosen because Jesus made a way for us. But that doesn’t mean the Jews are no longer God’s chosen people. Just look at all the miracles God has performed for them. Especially the miracle of Jews from around the world returning to Israel. That fulfilled a promise God made in the Old Testament. God made a forever covenant with His chosen people which includes Abraham’s descendants. He doesn’t change that even if some of His people are “evil”. Please be open to accept the Jews as God chosen people. And don’t forget Jesus was Jewish!
We even had friends that moved there as missionaries only to find out that her real mum (she was adopted) was Jewish. Just another example of the mircaculous way God is bringing His people home.
@Mark, it's Hard to see who you are replying to. However, please review Romans 11 (all Israel will be saved), Zechariah 12:10, and Ezekiel 36-39. These do not support replacement theology. Forgive me if I misunderstood who you were replying to.
Jesus told the crowds in the sermon on the mount (Matt.5) that his purpose in coming to this world was, to “To fulfil the law and prophets." Are you suggesting Christ failed in His mission? That He failed in His central purpose for coming? That he failed to fulfil what he said he came to fullfil? Only if he failed could there still be anything left to fulfil.
@Benjamin Silly, not one person is suggesting that, and you are setting up a strawman, accusing people of believing a different gospel because they disagree with you on Israel (sad, as we all here have Jesus as our Savior). Please review Romans 11 (all Israel will be saved), Zechariah 12:10, and Ezekiel 36-39. All clearly teach against replacement theology, but it does not change our belief in the finished work on the cross and that we are saved by Christ alone. Paul says a believing Jew can be grafted in more easily than Gentiles. Why? Because the tree was not replaced.
When you quote the words, "All Israel will be saved," you should have elaborated precisely, on what you meant by "Israel?" For instance, it could mean a national geographical location or a racial ethnicity of people?
For the record, I believe the "Israel" to which you refer, to be exactly what The Apostle Paul taught is was in Galatians 6: 14-16. Paul makes the point clear, the Israel he is referring to has nothing whatsoever to do with geography or race.
I may be what you call silly, but my faith is firmly anchored in Christ, the head of the "Church," "The Israel of God." I am definitely part of THAT Israel!
@Benjamin, Thanks for your reply—I didn’t mean “silly” harshly, brother! We’re united in trusting Christ alone for salvation.
Galatians 6:16’s “Israel of God” is believers, but Romans 11:26’s “all Israel will be saved” refers to ethnic Jews, distinct from Gentiles (Romans 11:25). The olive tree in Romans 11:17–18—“You, a wild olive shoot, were grafted in… do not be arrogant” —is Israel’s covenant; Gentiles join, not replace, ethnic Jews.
Ezekiel 36:24—“I will… gather you… into your own land” —fits 1948’s Israel (nearly 200,000 Christians), with renewal coming (v. 26). Zechariah 12:10—“when they look on… him whom they have pierced” —shows Israel’s repentance.
I’m not questioning your gospel; we differ on Israel’s role.
Can we discuss Romans 11 or Ezekiel 36–39? In Christ’s love, Rick.
May I lovingly suggest you start comparing what you currently understand of this subject, with the perspective mainstream christendom never touches, by seriously trying to comprehend what you will hear at this website. https://libertyfellowshipmt.com/
@Benjamin, thank you for your thoughtful reply and for engaging in this discussion with such grace. I truly appreciate your desire to share resources that you find valuable, and I’m grateful for the opportunity to continue this conversation in Christ’s love.
I hear your suggestion to explore the perspective on the website you shared, and I understand your intent to broaden my understanding. However, after reviewing the statement from the website—
“DCB opposes Socialism, Neoconism, and Zionism. He does not believe that the modern Zionist State of Israel represents either historical (Biblical) Israel or prophetic Israel”
I must respectfully decline to engage with that perspective at this time due to the non-scriptural belief about ethnic Israel and the future in scripture. My focus remains on Scripture and the traditional interpretations of passages like Romans 11 and Ezekiel 36–39, which I believe affirm the distinct role of ethnic Israel in God’s plan.
I’m not questioning your faith or your desire to seek truth, brother. We’re united in trusting Christ alone for salvation, and I value that common ground. Let’s keep our dialogue centered on God’s Word, where I believe we can find clarity and unity. I’m still eager to discuss Romans 11 or Ezekiel 36–39 with you, as those passages are rich with insight into God’s covenant promises (along with the many other verses I have posted in other posts).
In Christ’s love,
Rick
P.S. If you really want to understand why people have gone off the deep end, in my opinion, and are anti-modern Israel, please see this blog post: https://neighborhood.social/blog/628 (Myth of the Khazarian Jews)
He loves to skip the 'houtos' of that verse, "and in this way all Israel shall be saved." In what way?
"a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved" (Romans 11:25-26)
He does not want to acknowledge that "all Israel" is believing Jews ("a partial hardening", implying a remnant of Judaism will believe) and Gentiles ("fullness of the Gentiles", implying a large number of goyyim will believe) united as one by faith in Jesus the Messiah, aka. THE CHURCH OF GOD, exactly as Paul has been hammering on about since Romans 1, because that interpretation destroys his dispensational division of the text into so-called "separate programs of salvation for Jew and Gentile."
So he omits the "houtos" and just throws "all Israel will be saved" at you and then points at the satanic Kabbalist antichrist geopolitical nation with Metatron's Cube on their flag with that silly, bloodstained Zionist grin of glee on his face. "God won't break his covenant with Israel" he cries as they bomb Christian churches, mercilessly slaughter civilians and children, martyr our Palestinian, Lebanese and Syrian Christian brothers and sisters, rape, pillage and destroy, and continue to fill up the full measure of their sins of unbelief (1 Thess. 2:14-16).
I can't argue with the Bible or Jesus who said that all that is written was to be fulfilled in the destruction of the city of Jerusalem (Luke 21). All this talk about prophecy can be simplified by understanding the simple truth of complete fulfillment. We can look to 'current events' or we can look to inspired Scripture for an answer to the question about prophetic fulfillment. I'll stick with the Bible not 2025 news events.
Yet, do you believe in Christ in your heart? Do you believe the man he was, and the teaching he did, would in any way accept and encourage the violence aimed at Gaza?
Becky, you insult yourself by calling it replacement theology. That isn’t a thing, but something that dispensationalists call anyone who disagrees with them. It only highlights your ignorance when you parrot these talking points given to you by your dispensational pastors. There are other interpretations/hermeneutics to consider. For example, the majority of very solid theologians during the reformation held to a covenant fulfillment hermeneutic interpreting end times through a historical view, and no, there is no rapture, normal millennial reign either. Again, this was held by the majority of theologians for a very long time until the Jesuit propaganda of dispensationalism stemming from the counter reformation made its way into the world and into England in the 1800s and then to the US via questionable evangelicals. So Becky, your view is actually relatively modern and comes from. Very questionable origins. You’re being played. I believe a dead martyr over a 33° Freemason evangelical, i.e. Billy Graham. But go ahead you believe you’re talking points and keep interpreting that Bible literally.
They could have had a place in God's heart but Jesus came to rewrite the law, with God's permission. And that is stated in the Bible. I just can't agree that killing 55,000 people because those people killed 1,500 of "your" people is condoned by Christ in any way whatsoever.
These are just simple facts. People have come from all over the world who identify as of Israeli decent which conflicts with the article:
Since Israel’s 1948 establishment, Jews migrated from diverse regions, fulfilling Ezekiel 36:24: “I will take you from the nations and gather you from all the countries and bring you into your own land”. Here are the top 10 regions, with approximate numbers (historical data up to 2025):
Eastern Europe (~1.5 million): Poland, Romania, Hungary; post-Holocaust survivors (1948–1950s).
Former Soviet Union (~1.2 million): Russia, Ukraine; post-1990s immigration after Soviet collapse.
Morocco (~250,000–300,000): Large North African wave (1950s–1960s).
Iraq (~120,000–150,000): Operation Ezra and Nehemiah (1949–1952).
The bottom line is that the (Khazarian) theory was based on a first-hand source that was highly likely fraudulently written in perfect Hebrew in Europe and not by a King or scribes in Khazarian territories. The other two, second and third-hand sources, are conflicting and have anachronisms that don't hold up to basic logic or history and archeology. Linguistics also shows it to be a false theory, not to mention massive negative evidence as outlined by the video by professor and historian, Shaul Stampfer.
Based on logic and evidence from analysis of DNA, linguistics, history, and archeology, the Khazarian jew theory is a myth.
Also, the fact that a large percentage of the Israeli population did not come from Eastern Europe also refutes the Khazaian Jew Theory.
Thanks @zotAnne for fighting for the truth as well. Thanks for all the great sources. I just added those sources to my "The Myth of the Khazarian Jews?" blog:-)
The Jews in Israel are the real Jews - the whole lie that "DNA studies prove they are not the real Jews" has been debunked as nothing but propaganda and a lie over and over.....
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR POSTING THIS! I have known for a very long time that just blindly following Israel was insane. First, the jews from 2000 years ago ARE NOT the same jews of today. The original word "Jew" came from the Tribe of Judah. There is not one single person on this planet that can be traced back to that Tribe. What is a jew? The word has been so watered down. You can marry into a jewish family and call your self a jew. You can move to Israel and call yourself a jew. And on and on. Second, there is a HUGE difference between the jewish people who just want to live their life and live in peace AND the zionist (satanic) jews who are evil and are noted in Revelation. These are the people that say that we all (the goyim) are their slaves and we are less than human. They say that Jesus was just a trouble maker and is now in hell covered in boiling excrement. The Talmud (their so called sacred book) has all kinds of horrors such as it being OK to have sex with little girls under 9 years old, having a meal with anyone but a jew is like having dinner with an animal, if a non-jew loses something, it does not have to be returned, etc, etc, etc. It's common knowledge that they celebrate circumcising a baby boy and part of the ceremony is putting the babies penis in their mouths to suck the blood off. I have seen many pictures of the crap and they do not even deny it! They say it helps with the pain. They are filthy, disgusting pedophiles and their father is Satan. Ok, so we have these two types of jews. The jews that run Israel are absolutely the Zionist jews. They love war. And they love when the goyim go over there to fight their wars and die. These are NOT the people that God will redeem. These are NOT the people we support. These people will only see hell as their eternity. God will redeem his people and they are those who have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. The peaceful jews will bow and fall to their knees one day because they will see the truth. But unfortunately, the sickos that run that country are also in our government. There are so many politicians with dual citizenship and the others blindly follow the enemy. The Bible has been used and misinterpreted to suit them. Who else has came up with a word (like antisemitism) to call someone if you so much as question them? In all humanity, there are good and evil. Those that just so happen to be jews - some are good people, some are pure evil just like anyone else. They are no different. For the record - I support the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! Once our people have what they need, are safe, none are homeless, veterans have what they need, etc - THEN and only then do I think we should help any other country! Not one darn dime should EVER go to any other country until OUR PEOPLE have what they need! Weak, blind, and ignorant Christians need to wake up!
am an Israeli Jew who came to Christ. I am a born again. I oppose the actions of the Israeli government in Gaza and the occupied territories. I oppose the war on Iran in the sense that this can cause the death of millions of people. However, this artical is opening up a very dangerous door...the door that when is left ajar allows antisentisem and Jew hatred to spill out...denying Jews the right to define themselves or making such sweeping statments about Jews or Israelies can bring about a catastrophe. This article failed to mention that 1) When Jews were living in exile they were persecuted for hundreds of years and therefore do not have any other place to call home and to take refuge in. 2) There is a great awakening amongst Jews and Israelies of all denominations (including Israeli Muslims) to follow Yeshua.
3) There is a huge opposition amongst Israelis to Nethanyahu's policies and actions and its gaining traction by the minutes. Thousands take to the streets in Israel every day calling to end this madness...
I suggest that instead of spreading hatred by deligitimising one group or another (for example by bringing into the picture the Rothchileds and the world control theories) Pray! Pray for peace and most of all Pray for all beings to come to Christ. Don't try to convince others through a human biased perspective. Instead concentrate on the word of God and on prayer, we have no time to lose.
This synagogue of Satan has been a cancer on humanity for too long now. No real Bible student can deny the facts presented in Romans 9,10&11 as well as Galatians 3,4,5&6.
The whole theme from cover to cover is Israel’s failure and God starting the Church through Jesus who worship in spirit and truth.
The history of these fake secular Jews is way too obvious that they have nothing to do with the biblical Jews. Israel wasn’t even their first choice for a name, just read their founding documents. History clearly records the truth. Furthermore, the fact that “Israel” has restricted dna testing after they were proven to be a fraud says it all. Just ask Benjamin milikowski why he changed his name to netanyahoo to deceive just like his father the devil. Masters of deception…synagogue of Satan. They are a contrary people just like the Bible says…Jesus clearly rebuked them while seeking out those to worship in truth. 100 years ago nobody would fall for this scam because people actually read their Bible and knew the truth rather than getting spoon fed by false teachers… thanks for spreading the truth. For those who have ears to hear…
Not true at all! Israel encourages dna testing and it is even required for most marriages. Yes they are secular Jews however in Israel 40% to 50% of the Jewish population are Orthodox Jews.! Jews are waiting for the messiah to come hopefully they will find out it is Jesus. Let’s pray for the peace of Jerusalem and the nation of Israel.
“In summary, while DNA testing is not outright prohibited in Israel, its use is strictly regulated”.
Are you familiar with the Harvard dna study that laid bare this issue?
It’s more like 5% and “expected” to be up to 20% possibly:
“While the ultra-Orthodox, or Haredim, represented only 5% of Israel's population in 1990,[89] they are expected to represent more than one-fifth of Israel's Jewish population by 2028
Not true ..yes Haredim are the ultra Orthodox Jews and make up to 20 % the population. However over 50% of the Jewish population in israel are observant Jews. Anyways a Jew is a Jew regardless of their level of religion practice. Yes 23 and me is 100% allowed in Israel and DNA testing is probably the highest in the world per capita according to many reliable sources.
I believe the deception is entirely in the name. To be accurate it should have been named Judea as that was the name of the nation in the time of Jesus. But who of the gullible would support a state named Judea?
I believe this is truly the greatest and most successful deception the devil has ever perpetrated on otherwise good Christians .He has convince them to support people that still deny Jesus Christ and till this day still brag about killing him. He has convince them that these evil people/state are God's chosen people.
Fake History which much lies and deceit - so terrible that so many of you all in the truther movement/freedom movement/health movement have fallen for this deception! Fairly sure you have given testimony of God's Hand on your life - well seek His face further because this is an area He is testing hearts on, and you do not want to be on the side of goats.
am an Israeli Jew who came to Christ. I am a born again. I oppose the actions of the Israeli government in Gaza and the occupied territories. I oppose the war on Iran in the sense that this can cause the death of millions of people. However, this artical is opening up a very dangerous door...the door that when is left ajar allows antisentisem and Jew hatred to spill out...denying Jews the right to define themselves or making such sweeping statments about Jews or Israelies can bring about a catastrophe. This article failed to mention that 1) When Jews were living in exile they were persecuted for hundreds of years and therefore do not have any other place to call home and to take refuge in. 2) There is a great awakening amongst Jews and Israelies of all denominations (including Israeli Muslims) to follow Yeshua.
3) There is a huge opposition amongst Israelis to Nethanyahu's policies and actions and its gaining traction by the minutes. Thousands take to the streets in Israel every day calling to end this madness...
I suggest that instead of spreading hatred by deligitimising one group or another (for example by bringing into the picture the Rothchileds and the world control theories) Pray! Pray for peace and most of all Pray for all beings to come to Christ. Don't try to convince others through a human biased perspective. Instead concentrate on the word of God and on prayer, we have no time to lose.
G-d gave the Jewish people an ETERNAL covenant. It was not conditional. He has not abandoned His people. He has not changed His terms. If He did then He doesn’t keep His word. He does not lie. The Jewish people should have ceased to exist in 70 AD but are still hear today. Only by G-D’s grace. The fact that we are here today is a miracle. G-d did not abandon the Jewish people.
The land of Israel has always had a small Jewish population historically since 70AD. The Jewish people are still His people.
I will not argue the Ashkanazi debate. Even if your THEORY is true, a convert is considered a Jew and has a Jewish soul. Ruth was a convert. She had a Jewish soul. She is a part of G-D’s covenant.
Does all this mean that you have to agree with what the Israeli government does. No. But I will remind you that G-d can use whatever He wants to set up the stage for the end times and the coming of Mosiach. He is the one in control and I will trust in the One True G-d. Is it possible that is what He is doing now? Maybe. I don’t really know. But I know He knows what is going on and I will trust in Him.
They just ran with propaganda instead of seeking truth re DNA - here....
The Jews in Israel are the real Jews - the whole lie that "DNA studies prove they are not the real Jews" has been debunked as nothing but propaganda and a lie over and over.....
Genesis 12:2-3 has no if statement. Since when can we throw out an entire portion of the Bible (OT)? This entire article is false teaching. Read your Bible...your ENTIRE Bible.
There are "if's" but none applied to the Foundational Covenant God made with the Father of Faith Abraham, which was very special to all humanity. This is the key reason of why God would never break His promise, as He is a covenant-keeping God which is contrary to the Cessationists' like Mike Peter erroneous claims.
@JP, Incorrect logic. God chose Israel not because they were great as he used them to bless all other nations and set them apart. There is a big difference between salvation and God's chosen people. The statement’s logic is flawed because it oversimplifies the Bible’s view of “God’s people,” assuming it’s only about salvation. It ignores God’s covenant with Israel, Gentile inclusion, and the role of ethnic Israel. By forcing a yes-or-no question, it misses Scripture’s nuance, like Israel’s promises in Ezekiel 36–39 and the future salvation of “all Israel” in Romans 11:26.
"As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. For it stands in Scripture:
“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone,
a cornerstone chosen and precious,
and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”
So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who v do not believe,
“The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone,”
and
“A stone of stumbling,
and a rock of offense.”
They stumble because they disobey the word, y as they were destined to do.
But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. Once you were not a people, but now you are God's people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. (1 Peter 2:4-10)
There's your big difference again!!!
Wow, the Gentiles are a Chosen Race because they BELIEVE IN JESUS!!! Incredible!!!
"So the honor is for you who believe... a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession."
@JP, I appreciate your passion for the Lord and your engagement with Scripture, and I’m thankful we can discuss this as brothers in Christ. However, I must firmly stand on the clarity of God’s Word. Your use of 1 Peter 2:4-10 beautifully highlights believers—Jew and Gentile—as a “chosen race” and “royal priesthood” through faith in Jesus. I fully affirm this truth! But it doesn’t negate God’s specific covenant with ethnic Israel, which remains distinct in Scripture.
You’re conflating salvation (available to all who believe) with Israel’s unique role as God’s chosen nation, set apart to bless all nations (Gen. 12:3). Romans 11:26-29 explicitly states “all Israel will be saved” and God’s covenant with Israel is “irrevocable.” Ezekiel 36–39 details a future restoration of ethnic Israel—land, people, and spiritual renewal—not as a path to salvation apart from Christ, but as a fulfillment of God’s unchanging promise. To dismiss this as cognitive dissonance oversimplifies the Bible’s nuanced teaching.
I urge you to wrestle with these texts directly: How do you interpret “all Israel” in Romans 11:26 or the specific promises to Israel in Ezekiel 36–39? Let’s reason through Scripture together, holding fast to its full counsel. With love and respect, I pray we both seek truth in humility.
"There is a big difference between salvation and God's chosen people"
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣😂😂😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂
"For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel,and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. (Romans 9:6-8)
The big difference is God's Chosen People are also SAVED by Jesus Christ.
@JP, I appreciate your zeal and love for the Lord, and I’m grateful we can discuss Scripture together! I hear you citing Romans 9:6-8 to emphasize that God’s chosen people are defined by faith, and I agree that salvation comes through Jesus alone for all—Jew and Gentile. Your point about the “children of the promise” is spot-on, as it shows God’s grace transcends mere physical descent.
I’d gently suggest, though, that God’s covenant with ethnic Israel still holds a unique role in His plan, not for salvation apart from Christ, but for His purposes in history and prophecy. Romans 11:26-29 speaks of “all Israel” being saved and God’s gifts and calling to Israel being “irrevocable.” Ezekiel 36–39 also points to a future restoration of Israel as a people, tied to God’s faithfulness to His covenant. These passages don’t negate salvation by faith but show God’s multi-layered plan, including a distinct role for Israel alongside Gentile believers.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on how you see Romans 11:26 or Ezekiel 36–39 fitting in. Let’s keep digging into God’s Word with open hearts, brother! Much love in Christ.
Here is the problem with your comment. God did not give the Jewish people any covenant, He gave the Israelites the covenant. You are confusing Jews with all Israelites. The biblical Jews were the 2 tribes of Judah and Benjamin after the split of the 2 houses (Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah). The first mention of the word Jews in the KJV is in 2Kings 16:6 way after the split into 2 kingdoms and way after the Mosaic covenant was given to all Israelites and it was conditional. The House of Israel never followed the covenant and God sent the Assyrians to destroy their nation. The House of Judah worshipped other gods and God sent the Babylonians to destroy their nation as well. Then God allowed them to return to Judea/Jerusalem after the decree from Cyrus. Then about 500 years later our Messiah shows up and they not only reject Him but they put Him to death. The covenant with the House of Judah was broken hence voided. The new testament covenant is binding and all Jews that wish to accept Jesus as their messiah are welcomed. But until then: 1John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
I would agree, you're correct, however, the separation of the 12 tribes is not a permanent fixture as that was never God's plan, as they still featured in the 144,000 out of the 12 Tribes. Good to remember also, that the Church was grafted into God's family and Paul warned about it in Romans 11.
Ingrafted Branches
11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!
13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!
All Israel Will Be Saved
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g]
28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
Doxology
33 Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and[i] knowledge of God!
How unsearchable his judgments,
and his paths beyond tracing out!
34 “Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been his counselor?”[j]
35 “Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay them?”[k]
36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.
Yes, all Israel will be saved. The original post is about the modern Zionist state of Israel, and how dispensationalist confuse this state with Israel of the Bible.
Do you believe the state of Israel formed by the U.N. and the Rothschilds are the Israel of the Bible?
Yes! G-d can use whom ever he wants to accomplish what He wants. After WWII many Jews wanted to go to Israel. Their own neighbors had taken over their homes and businesses and murdered the Jews who returned to their village. Jews experience progrom after progrom throughout history just for being Jewish. Many progroms were done by “Christans” in the name of Jesus. Are these people also saved because the believe? Christians have flaws just like any other people.
Nobody wanted the Jew. So now the Jew has a homeland again. And for this Israel is constantly bullied. There has been a continuous Jewish presence in that land since 70AD. There are Jews from all over the world who have come to Israel to live. There are so many miracles the Jewish people have received from the One Above.
Instead of hating the Jewish People who were told to tell the world about the ONE true G-d, be thankful they did. Are the Jewish people perfect? NO! But neither is anybody else’s, including the Christian who claims to they have it all. We all have to struggle with our relationship with G-d. That is how we really grow in a relationship with Him.
Please stop spreading hate. Why can’t we live along side each other. More Jews will be beaten up or killed just for being Jews over a theory. I am so sad this article was written. What is the purpose? More division in this world? More hatred? More innocent people beaten or murdered? That is how evil wins.
Instead of you all trying to condemn the Jew, learn to appreciate who they are and what they gave you. The knowledge of the One True G-d. Try studying the Torah. You may find a very different way to view the world and G-d. He is a loving father. You can co exist with the Jewish People. Let G-d decide who is Jewish and who is not. Or for that matter, what Christian is true or not true. Let G-d decide His relationship with the Jewish people and Christians and other people. We should focus on ourselves and our relationship to Him. NOT creating hate and division. Bottom line.
Agreed. Well said. The same spirit of the Pharisees and Saducees is still alive today, Very sad for the self righteous believers.
Btw, no one likes wars. However, Trump is damned for taking action and he would still be damned if he hadn't. My question is, Is it God's plan to wipe off Israel from the map or purely Satan's????
My second question. Is Jesus returning to where He ascended to Heaven from?
I would also like to point out that the re-emergence of Israel as a Nation is God's miracle to the whole world and never an accident, but a fulfillment of hundreds of prophecies in the O/T plus from the N/T. Luke 21:24 " And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled." The times of the Gentiles was partly fulfilled from 1948 onward until the full completion upon His return. The biggest LIE out there today is Free Palestine, but the reality is, there was never a Palestine until after the Romans destroyed Jerusalem in 70AD, and there was never a West Bank either, but Samaria and Judea. I would agree about "From the river to the Sea" as that is truth according to Deut. 11:24 "Every place on which the sole of your foot treads shall be yours: from the wilderness and Lebanon, from the river, the River Euphrates, even to the Western Sea, shall be your territory."
The eventual Battle of Armageddon should remind us of how God used to intervene on behalf of His people and that He will do it again. Would that be the time also when the unbelieving Jews would exclaim "Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord".
Lets pray for the Peace of Jerusalem, as God knows all about it.
My husband doesn’t know why there is an s at the end of Pyles. He says it’s not uncommon. My father in law didn’t know much about his family background. They do think it is from England but don’t know for sure.
We could be related, you never know 😊. And if we could go back far enough we are surely related.
I completely disagree with the premise that the Church has replaced Israel. All you have to do is study Romans, Daniel and Revelation and see that the Lord still has a plan for this nation. Just as the Church is perfect neither is Israel but the Lord always keeps His covenant with His people.
Partially correct, they are blinded as pharaoh was for their unbelief. The gift of salvation is open to all but Jews don’t get a free pass. Judaism doesn’t lead to salvation. It’s actually a false gospel at this point.
Yes, that is why many are having dreams and visions and converting to Jesus. God is not done with the promise He made to Abraham and His jewish descendents.
Each individual is responsible for their future. Nobody holds a get out of jail free card because of their ethnicity or nationality. That would be preposterous…
But it’s not specific to Jews or anything, Muslims have these same drama and visions and convert along with the average American atheist.
I don't think any Christian of any belief about Israel thinks the Jews have a get out of jail free card. The Bible is clear that God is not done with them, but is waiting until the time of the Gentiles has been fulfilled.
But many do think that Judaism saves souls and that salvation can be obtained without Christ. The deception runs deep from false teachers that both roads lead to heaven. Many even believe the lie that Muslims will go to the same heaven because they share the same Abraham from the Bible as if Abraham can save anyone. Billy graham fell into this deception towards his latter years that all roads lead to the same place. That has misled many in various generations that grew up listening to the latter of his messages. Such a contrast to his first love he started out with…
The problem here is the name "Israel". If the Rothschilds had name the state Judea would you still feel the same way. Don't confuse the Israel of the Bible with the evil Zionist state of Israel.
Agreed, the Rothschilds are bad, but God can use the evil plans of the Rothschilds or any evil plans from anyone to achieve his purposes. See Ezekiel 36-39 to understand how he has.
They will be grafted back in. For now, they are apostate and in rebellion to God. That doesn't even include the zionists who are ashkenazi. If you read up, you will find that only a third of them survive to salvation.
As a Messianic Jew, an Askenazi Jew, a Jew who can trace their family back to the tribe of Levi and Judah, I am extremely disappointed in TTAC. Cherry picking of scripture out of context to support an almost anti-Semitic replacement theology.
Many scriptures such as those in Romans 11 were left out where Paul bluntly states God has not rejected Israel and the Jewish people.
Of course salvation is only through receiving the Jewish Messiah Jesus (Yeshua) as your Lord and Savior regardless of your ethnicity.
Also God has used many corrupt and ungodly people to further His plan, save and bless Israel and the Jewish people even in biblical times so the argument about Rothschild is irrelevant. Who cares who financed the re-establishment of a Jewish homeland.
There is much more from the Bible that could be said in defense of the nation of Israel and the Jewish people.
There is always a thread of truth in doctrines of error and this is fully on display in your Replacement Theology piece. God have mercy on you.
“Also God has used many corrupt and ungodly people to further His plan”
So has Satan…
Don’t be so sure to give God credit for what Satan does. Look at the fruit, scripture makes it clear, you will know them by their fruit. The sons of Satan or the sons of God.
What does their fruit tell you? Homosexual capital of the world, terrorizing no different than hamas, lies and deception abounding.
I’m not bidding God speed to any such persons lest I partake in the guilt of their sins. 2John1:11
Scripture says that God will bring them back IN their sin and THEN clean them - all prophecy re Israel has come true, is coming true and will come true -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqAXLKIzehs&t=4s. Over a million on the past few decades have already given their life to Jesus - MORE will do so as End Time events happen, yet those who hate and lie about Israel are setting the stage for these End Time events too and sadly will give account
And Deuteronomy 30:2-3 says "If you return to me... THEN I will restore you."
And this plays out through the entire bible - Judges, 1-2 Samuel, 1-2 Kings, Ezra, Nehemiah, the Prophets.
When did modern geopolitical Israel merit restoration by returning to YHWH by believing in the words of His Son (see Deut. 18:18-19)?
The Scripture only knows one instance of unbelievers returning to the land: dispensationalism's heretical interpretation of Ezekiel 36-39 that defies the entire remainder of the bible. And they miss the clues that Ezek 36-39 is referring to a BELIEVING, restored nation cf Lev. 26:5-6 with Ezek. 38:8, 10, not an unbelieving restored nation, an oxymoron. There is no such thing as an unbelieving restored nation in the whole of Scripture!
Unbelieving Israel gets exiled/destroyed, their land turned into a taunt, proverb, byword, hissing pits of desolate salt, barren, haunt of demons and detestable wildlife.
And this is unbelieving modern Israel's fate in the patience of God (remember it took some 800-1000 years for the exiles to occur between Joshua's initial believing conquest and the final unbelieving Babylonian deportation in 2 Kings 25). Bless unbelieving modern Israel at your peril!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AfZlLxyYNE - the Early Church Fathers taught that the Church and Israel are separate and that Jesus returns for the Jewish people. Also nothing can explain the miracle of their return BUT the hand of God - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqAXLKIzehs&t=4s You can fight against it all you like but God's Will will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven. And if you think their sin is any stinkier than yours - then you missed what Grace and Mercy is, that Jesus came for the sinner not the righteous - which begs the question, why the hard heart? Do you even KNOW Him. I hope and pray for your sake that you seek Him instead of reacting and acting in anger hurt and bitterness.
America is no different….and she’s suppose to be 60% Christian! So toughing the evils of Israel….does not explain or naturalize the promises of God and the eternal covenant with Israel!
It is biblical, Roman’s 9,10&11 as well as Galatians 3,4,5&6 are proof. The whole Bible teaches this otherwise Jesus wouldn’t have had to come and bring a new covenant if the old was attainable.
Chrissy, God DID keep every one of his promises, fulfilled in the True Israel, the true and obedient Son, Jesus, the Israel of God. All the promises in HIM are Yes and Amen, to the glory of God. Are you not detracting from the Glory of God to seek a fulfillment of God's promises from someplace other than in Christ? Think about it.
The Jews who walk with God in Christ have not been replaced, but the unbelieving Jews are not in the root of the tree the Gentiles have been grafted it.
Bravo, TTAC!! Well done article and citing where those verses are! Every professing Christian needs to read this! I will be forwarding to MANY! This is NOT Replacement Theology! That's the crutch that people use who are unwilling to grow and learn and search out the scriptures! I don't need to be right, but I DO need truth! Even if it goes against everything I THOUGHT I knew before! Humility requires us to search out the heart of God in His word. Hubris says, 'I already know it all'. Shame on you, church! Wake up! You've bought the well crafted lie.....and satan is thrilled to so easily pull that off on you! Blessings, TTAC!! I so appreciate this blog!
100% do not agree with this replacement theology . The nation of israel 🇮🇱 is the the true nation of the Jews . Funny how even the Quran say the nation of israel belongs to the Jews however they are the ones that came up with this replacement theology. Jews lineage goes back thousands of years . Jesus was a practicing jew . G d bless israel 🇮🇱 and the peace of Jerusalem.
Are you ok with Hamas burning babies beheading people with hoes raping women in front of their families
Are you ok with Iran in their ideology wanting to destroy and kill an entire race with the US and Christians next ? The Iranian mullah regime has said this while oppressing their own people
No one is affirming hateful Hamas and their tactics. TTAC was just stating that we cannot blindly follow a geopolitical entity (designed by the Balfour Declaration) just bc it bears the same name as the biblical Israel of God, when it isn’t that. No one wants to see this Israel decimated just bc it isn’t the Israel of God, biblically speaking. We just should not conflate the two “Israels."
Sometimes politicians and others leaders don’t evaluate the specific policies, but profess loyalty without analyzing if this or that is the best course of action: kind of like "anything you want to do, we’re ok with because we want to bless you.” I have seen that, for sure.
And my understanding is that Islams roots…doctrinally…were conceived by the RCC! To take the heat off Rome for the acquisition! Mohammad was married to a Roman Catholic…..and took scripture and twisted it to form an Anti-Christ belief system! Some Mosques in the Middle East have statues of Mary on top! Islam is a well crafted religion of Satanic origin!
Regardless of all you write, Israel is a small country surrounded by bullies who won't even take in their own "brethren" the "Palestinians." We have a close connection of Juneau/Christian values. Perfect? Neither Israel nor the US as a country are walking the walk that was more faithfully followed in our respective histories. We support Israel because he is our ally, and a true democracy of free people.
They can't see the truth. It goes against their own confused made up narrative. It's ok for Palestinians to die if it's for a good Christian manipulated made up cause. Amazing how there is so much confusion and contradiction in Christianity. I have so called Christian friends who call each other disbelievers because they all have a different interpretation of their own Bible.
Both are biblically oriented! That’s why Israel is a free country that does not murder her women and children for not obeying a demonic Islamic rule book! Israel has common grace…common decency…and is not barbaric!
Have you not read the Koran? Especially where it says “Kill the Infidels!” Do you not know the history of Islam? Your remark is not even worthy of an answer! God help you!
Yes I do. It's in Surah 9:5. It refers to idolaters not infidels. And it is in reference to a defensive battle because the Muslims were being persecuted. Go learn. Stop spewing Islamophobia.
Two groups CAN share values without being of the same faith. Even Christians and the pagan Greeks shared some values in regards to government organization and citizen rights and freedoms. Jews and Christians are not in direct opposition. Christians accept all of the Jewish Bible--the Torah, Prophets, poetry, songs. Jews wait for the Messiah, the Christians accept that He has come. Most of the earliest Christians were Jews. Christ came "first for the Jews and then for the Gentiles." Even most unbelievers--agnostic and atheists--share some values with believers of One True God/Elohim/Yahweh, like respect for law and order. Jews are not anti Christ, just not accepting that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ. Christ is the translation of the Hebrew word for anointed One--Messiah. The idea of the Savior is all over the OT/Hebrew Bible.
The wrath of God is being poured out on the USA ever since their support of the Zionist state of Israel. Can't you see this. The porn, the moral decay, lgbt nonsense and the rampant crime. Ask yourself if life in America is better now than it was in the 1950's? The Zionists are destroying my once great country and you want to support them. You are encouraging the demise of the west and you don't even comprehend it.
Quit using the term Judeo/Christian values, it means AntiChristian/Christian values. I as a Christian share no values with Judaism. Read their Talmud if you want to know the truth. They worship Satan.
Pardon me but I believe it was Khrushchev the Communist leader of the Soviet Union that said we will corrupt America from within and she will fall like ripe fruit! Also you have a huge blind spot not to figure in the “Jesuits”…who have been out to destroy America for the last 200 years! It’s called the “Counter Reformation”….you people want to blame the Jews for all the evils of the world…..and don’t have enough sense to see the blessing they “Israel”….have been to all peoples….even treating their enemies in their hospitals! You’re hateful towards people God loves! I pity you! You truly have tunnel vision! If anything the RCC….is the harlot of Revelation who is drunk with the blood of the Saints! Might want to look at history!
And another thing, did you see that the U.S. House passed an antisemitism bill for college campuses? Do you know how to tell who rules over you? Answer: Those you are not allowed to criticize.
People like you will not understand until they start enforcing Noahide laws which were passed into law in 1991. Look into it. If you are a Christian you will be considered in violation of the Idolatry law and what is the resulting punishment? DEATH.
Actually go back and read the entire book “The thirteenth tribe”. The author says the book is full of flaws and points them out throughout the book. In the end he states why Israel is a legitimate State and he knows the book will be used against the Jews by people like TTAC and you.
In the Great Courses
The Barbarian Empires of the Steppes which is a book and DVD series, professor Kenneth W Harl from Tulane U talks about this “woke” theory and how it is used to spread hate doesn’t make sound historical sense. The Karzars eventually ceased as a people. He states the the Eastern European Jews have middle eastern DNA.
He is a historical expert in the area he was lecturing on, including the Karzar people.
Wait till Islam rules and you lose your head for being a Christian! That is a great possibility! In fact far greater than Israel which the Bible says she will never rule till she rules with Jesus when He comes back as “The Lion of the Tribe of Judah!” Interesting that He doesn’t come back as the “Head of the Church!”
Yes, both Judaism and Islam will kill Christians and have in the last 1500-2000 years. All true Christians know this, Jesus told us. We have enemies on all sides.
What you are missing is that modern day Jews/state of Israel have nothing whatsoever to do with the Israel or Judah of the Bible.
But keep your evil Zionist beliefs, what could go wrong.
I agree on the fact the the RCC is the harlot of Revelations, however how about we take on one enemy at a time. The RCC is not asking America to bomb Iran. The RCC is not genociding Palistinians. The RCC is not trying to take over the middle east for some "Greater Israel". And what may I ask has Israel ever done for the USA? Treating enemies in their hospitals, are you kidding me? After they bomb the hell out of them?
Who was communist Soviet Union? Answer, Jews. I can't help that you don't see a pattern here. Ask God for guidance in these issues and for heavens sake throw away your Scofield bible.
USA apparently does not appear prophetically in the end time prophecies. I FEAR that Trump, or the USA, may abandon Israel in the near future. If this happens then God will abandon the USA and the total collapse of Gods protection of USA will be over. The rapture is eminent and then Total destruction is assured for the USA and Canada. I pray for Peace of Israel and Jerusalem.
Thank you Conservative for reading my reply. You have not convinced me that I have it backwards. "better off" is a subjective concept. USA is the most Powerful nation in the world today. Also one of the wealthiest. However, unfortunately, power and wealth seem to encourage sin and moral decay. As a "Christian ??" nation, Satan has his most powerful demons attacking the USA. It is so amazing and wonderful to see Gods end time prophecies coming to pass at this very time. I would suggest you throw away your Roman Catholic Bibles and trust the KJV only.
Let me explain "better off". 80 years ago or so, a family in America consisted of a father that went to work and supported his wife and children by working a 40 hour week. He not only was able to support his family but had extra money for luxury items such as a boat or a cabin in the woods, not that these are necessities. The Christian faith was strong and many communities helped others out in times of hardships.
Now, both the father and the mother need to work to pay for basic necessities. Families are literally using their credit cards to pay for groceries. The Christian faith is very weak and part of the problem is people have to work weekends to make ends meet.
The moral degradation is just overwhelming, where do I start?
If this isn't the wrath of God being poured out on our nation then I don't know what it is. And this all started after our government started supporting the Zionist state of Israel.
Look at our government, a group of people that make up less than 2% of the population hold nearly 90% of government jobs, own all the major media stations, own Hollywood and own our Congress through blackmail. Guess who these people are? It's the same people that have been thrown out of 109 different countries.
And concerning the wealthiest nation nonsense. That is only for 3% at the top, they have more wealth than the bottom 97%.
The demons you speak of are Zionists and yes they are destroying the USA from the inside.
Conservative, yes I totally agree with everything you say UNTIL you blame God (Our God, Not the God of this world}. Our God would never be the author of all these sinful actions born in the heart of the sinful mature of the unsaved man. And if you are honest you must admit that all these sinful shenanigans have been going on since Cain Killed Able or since Noah walked off the Arc. You will see the REAL "Wrath of God" immediately after the genuine born again believer have been raptured, to be present with our Bridegroom, Yeshuah, Jesus Christ. I pray that you will be in that number, to enjoy the treasures of Eternity. I really do appreciate your passion to argue your present position. We need people like you on our side. After Graduation from University of Manitoba (1960), I became an Atheist and was trapped in that philosophy for ten years until God miraculously freed me from that broad road that seems right to man but ends in the lake of fire. I believe you can also have a change of mind. Thank you for listening to my rambling and do take care.
Democracy of free people? You mean only to their own people. Go there and see if they give you permission to enter into one of their shelters. Oh no wait. Only for jews.
This isn’t sober theology but ideological zealotry dressed in scripture. It selectively weaponizes verses, erases Jewish continuity, and hints at conspiracy while pretending to defend biblical truth. If the goal is truth, not narrative control, it fails the Logos test entirely.
If you’d like me to elaborate precisely where it fails to adhere to foundational truth, just ask!
Nobody needs to ask a blind guide how to get where he is going. Romans 9,10&11 as well as Galatians 3,4,5&6 clearly explain this issue that the church is the “Israel of God” and are the heirs according to the promise. What more evidence do you need? God does fulfill His OT promises through the church. Scripture as a whole points to Christ and His new covenant otherwise if Judaism brought salvation then he wouldn’t have had to come. Too many false preachers leading the flock astray for the last few hundred years. This was a basic concept to our great grandparents and beyond when they actually read the Bible for themselves it’s was perfectly clear. Wish people stopped looking to blind guides to spoon feed them deception and just read the Word and let God do the teaching!
What don’t you get when you read….”For I would not….brethren that…..YE SHOULD BE IGNORANT OF THE MYSTERY….LEST YE SHOULD BE WISE IN YOUR OWN CONCEITS….that blindness “in part”…is happened to ISRAEL….until the fullness of the Gentiles is come in…..and so all ISRAEL shall be saved….as it is written…”There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer…Jesus….AND SHALL TURN AWAY….”THAT MEANS AT THAT TIME”…..and shall turn away ungodliness from WHO?…JACOB! Not the church as she is already forgiven!!! But turn Jacob…”Israel”….away from ungodliness! FOR THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM! The unbreakable covenant with Abraham…..when I shall take away their sins!!!! FOR THE GIFTS AND THE CALLINGS OF GOD ARE WITHOUT REPENTANCE!! In other words the covenant with the Jews was never forfeited! Or else how can we trust the He will keep His covenant with us? As RC Sproul would say….”What’s wrong with you people?” Even he a believer in preterism…believed there was….in Gods plan….a future for the people……or nation of Israel!
Your butchered up….then….and some more …. Is building up a twisted version of Gods Word which is a sin.
Are you saying that Judaism will save souls that deny Jesus as the Son of God? The whole theme of scripture is clear on this that only those who accept Christ will have eternal life.
”“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.“
John 3:18 NKJV
Also not butchered:
”Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.“
I John 2:22-23 NKJV
Judaism is satanic and a false gospel. Just look at the fruit as we’re taught to do. It’s what we are taught to discern the children of light v darkness.
I didn’t assume anything but instead performed a critical analysis by way of logical consistency within the post as compared to the primary substrate of reality, The Logos.
Yes, of course it’s my own analysis because that’s what discernment is. What I “see” emerges from testing claims against the ordering principle of all reality: The Logos. This isn’t about ego, but alignment.
Your question seems rhetorical rather than sincere, and that’s fine. But if you do want to engage the substance, I’m happy to walk through exactly where that post departs from scriptural and logical integrity.
Until then, I’ll let the silence speak for itself.
Within the current context, this may be the most important newsletter you have published Thus far, and the others have been meritorious, indeed. THANKS FOR THIS NEEDED CLARIFICATION. It may help to save lives
I believe the devils greatest deception is and has been Christian Zionism. I argue daily on X/Twitter trying to convince Christians Zionist that they are supporting evil. I provide scriptural proof but apparently their hearts are hardened and don't want to know the truth.
The devil has convince them that the people that deny Jesus Christ and still to this day brag about killing him are the God's chose people.
I pray they wake up to the truth before it's too late.
Dont show them scriptural proof. Show them the fences of apartheid. Show them burned churches of Gaza, Syria and Lebanon. Show them settlers raping, pillaging, murdering. Show them the satanic ritual abuse cults, child trafficking, pornography, paedophilia. Show them that the Star of David is Metatron's Cube from Jewish mystic Kabbalah. Shiw them that to 'bless Israel' is to bless the most evil, wicked, detestable nation on earth, on par with the colonial genocides of the British Empire, or current US occult hegemony.
That's how I dumped my Zionism in 2019.
When I show them the proofs you refer to they always say it is Palestinian propaganda. So I show them scriptural proof.
It's a tough battle but I'm not giving up.
I'm so glad to hear that you dumped Zionism.
The thing that really got me was learning the star of David is a satanic glyph straight out of Jewish kabbalah and flying in my face in my home.
Then I read Kabbalah Secrets Christians Need to Know by DeAnne Loper and my dispensationalism quickly crumbled after that.
Excellent, great to hear.
I have that book on one of my tablets but haven't had the chance to read it.
It's encouraging to hear that as I have been getting frustrated that I was not helping anyone see the truth. But now that I see some people have actually abandoned dispensationalism it gives me the encouragement to keep engaging people on this subject. Maybe I'll look into the star and use it to try to get my point across.
Dispensationalism Defines the Timeline of man on the earth and is Very important to keep much of what we need to learn as we study the Bible "in it's own lane"!
Dispensational Eschatology = Kabbalist Eschatology.
That's the thing that killed it for me, and largely unknown by the vast majority of dispensationalists, because they don't know what Kabbalah is or what its eschatological goals are (or its 'messiah', the 'little YHWH' Metatron, the angel of the presence who receives all God's worship and who sits on God's throne, whose occult symbol flies in the centre of every single Israeli flag)
Don't tell me you haven't read Mein Kamp yet! Or the Russian hoax about the Protocols of Zion. I hear they're pretty popular with anti-semites looking for an excuse for their biogtry.
I will stand with them only because they aren't Islamic and they ARE conservative.
Conservative? Lol. Let's see. Tel Aviv is constantly voted the best city for sodomites. They love abortion. But they hate goyim.
Is Tel Aviv run and controlled by the Jewish religion?
The political leaders will likely never be moved by the heart or reason, but most of the citizens of Israel can be moved though many will be unwitting victims to what appears to be an inevitable path either toward devastation or authoritarianism.
That's not all of the Jewish people and some of what you mention are lies. A friend of mine traveled to Israel and was expecting to see all that you mention and didn't see that. Instead she saw them give food to Palestinians who were there to try and kill them.
Secular, non-religious Israelis are largely like you describe. The religious Jews (Orthodox, ultra-Orthodox, 40% of population) are rabidly anti-Christian, just like their Government. Try open air preaching in Hebrew, like we did, or singing Isaiah 61:1-2 in Hebrew and then giving out tracts that show it points to Yeshua ben Yoseph mi Natzaret. The vicious antimissionaries will be on you faster than mosquitoes at summer solstice dusk and only then will the cracks in your belief that Israel is a "holy nation" start to show.
I don't believe Israel is a "holy nation". I believe they are a million, no, a trillion, gazillion times better than Islam.
Thankyou, Ive learnt something, Im so glad you looked deeper.
This is really a sickening thread- it is so full of hate and antisemitism which is bad enough but to use Jesus and his teachings to justify it is just repulsive. You all have the right to hate as much as you want but please don’t use the prince of peace who embodies mercy and grace to justify it.
‘I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich) and the slander of those who say that they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.'
-- Jesus Christ (Revelation 2:9)
'Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they will learn that I have loved you.'
-- Jesus Christ (Revelation 3:9)
'For you, brothers, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea. For you suffered the same things from your own countrymen as they did from the Jews who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out, and displease God and oppose all mankind by hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles that they might be saved—so as always to fill up the measure of their sins. But wrath has come upon them at last!'
-- St. Paul the Apostle (1 Thessalonians 2:14-17)
Strange how divorced your thoughts are from the occasional 'antisemitic' imprecations of the New Testament. Will you now condemn Jesus and Paul in your blind adherence to Darby and Scofield's Zionism?
First the Jews of Smyrna were Semitic middle eastern Jews, not Russian Cossack converts that this article is claiming most Jews are. Second it sounds as though Jesus is calling them the synagogue of satan not because Judaism is a satanic religion, but because he feels they are not following the laws and tenants of Gd. Jesus was a practicing Jew his entire life, Gd is the Gd of the Old Testament & the New Testament. I think he would call many of the posts here as coming from the church of satan as they don’t reflect the teachings of the church of Gd at all. I have never read such hate filled comments, and to somehow link this hate to the teachings of Christ is appalling.
I was hesitant to respond to this because I really feel like you and the others posting here have a real hatred for Jews and are trying to twist Christianity and the words of Jesus to somehow justify & support this hate. I do not think there is any reasoning with that sort of hatred. I think Gd mourns for his teachings to be used to justify something that is the exact opposite of what he’s called us to be. If you read the entire Bible and this is your take away I think you have lost the big picture. Hatred like this has caused so much suffering in the world throughout history and continues to do so it seems.
gosh! No one is hating Jews. Truth is hard to hear and I pray we will all be able to see it and have understanding hearts. The guys who killed Jesus weren't real Jews. Their father was Satan. Those in leadership today are their kin/seed of Satan. The Jewish people must be judged the way all of us need to be judged--as individuals. Wolves in sheep's clothing is real today!
So much confusion and deception. I pray the Lord exposes the darkness and saves all those who want to see truth.
If my heart is so filled with 'antisemitic hatred', please explain my deep friendships with:
Lebanese muslims
Iraqi muslims
Syrian Christians
Israeli Jews
Your mind is so tightly imprisoned in your ideological box, you're completely incapable of perceiving anything other than with the false lens of 'its all hatred.'
I hate what unbelief has made Talmudic Judaism into. I hate what Kabbalah sorcery has done to the Middle East. I hate the murder and violence of radical Islam. I hate the rotten fruit of bad trees, false prophets leading and being led astray.
I cannot hate the sorry individuals whose minds are imprisoned in infantile systems of fear-based thinking.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CTAjc1OSrmY
Wow! This is very illuminating!
Plenty of Jewish people don't "brag about killing Jesus Christ"; in fact, I've never met one that does do that. I will stand with them because they are a conservative nation that hasn't bent the knee to post post post modern "woke" carp.
Read their Talmud.
Yes YOU definitely should read the Talmud. You might learn something!
Yeah? I learned that they are evil and worship Satan.
Here is a quick video that proves they don't worship God.
https://x.com/truthdeffender/status/1909436861162115319
These people are the Chosen People of Satan, there is no way that my God has anything other than contempt for this.
The Bible has people believing that's its God who hardens people's hearts rather than Satan.
It’s way broader than that , but it’s not of God in anyway , but the wars and rumours of war Jesus spoke of in the gospels , Luke 21 Mat24 Mark 13
I just wanted to add this article that adds more clarity to this topic, which overall supports this stance: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/critique-israel-responsibly
Actually this referred post, not in any way revelatory does not add to above.
All author does is "debunk" historical Judaism with appeals to unnamed authority.
Archeological evidence points to King David...
The entire Christian gospel is predicated on real people / events. So who do you believe?
I, for one, know JFK, RFK and MLK where not killed by lone gunmen despite what the "experts" have said.
Do I need to reference covid and 911 to question the experts conclusions futher?
am an Israeli Jew who came to Christ. I am a born again. I oppose the actions of the Israeli government in Gaza and the occupied territories. I oppose the war on Iran in the sense that this can cause the death of millions of people. However, this artical is opening up a very dangerous door...the door that when is left ajar allows antisentisem and Jew hatred to spill out...denying Jews the right to define themselves or making such sweeping statments about Jews or Israelies can bring about a catastrophe. This article failed to mention that 1) When Jews were living in exile they were persecuted for hundreds of years and therefore do not have any other place to call home and to take refuge in. 2) There is a great awakening amongst Jews and Israelies of all denominations (including Israeli Muslims) to follow Yeshua.
3) There is a huge opposition amongst Israelis to Nethanyahu's policies and actions and its gaining traction by the minutes. Thousands take to the streets in Israel every day calling to end this madness...
I suggest that instead of spreading hatred by deligitimising one group or another (for example by bringing into the picture the Rothchileds and the world control theories) Pray! Pray for peace and most of all Pray for all beings to come to Christ. Don't try to convince others through a human biased perspective. Instead concentrate on the word of God and on prayer, we have no time to lose.
The whole point of the article was to show that Christians are deceived into thinking that the secular state of Israel is the Israel of the bible. It's not spreading hatred just because the topic is controversial. There are millions of Christians that believe this nonsense and it might cost them dearly when judgement day arrives. Do you believe we should just let them continue to believe a lie?
You can edit in that this is also about trade routes: power until the end of time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BZNzNos9WE
It might help to save souls!
You cannot trust AI. It can be led around by the nose, contradicts itself, and when confronted with information it provides it will change its facts to what it thinks you want to hear. Full of hallucinations.
And probably demons, similar to Ouija boards…
I’m sorry. Israel still has a place in God’s heart and is ground zero for many Bible prophecies still to be fulfilled. I do not buy into replacement theology.
Sorry, Becky. You wait in vain for the Bible prophecies to be fulfilled in or by the modern state of Israel. Jesus was the true Son of God, the true Israel of God. Old Cov Israel rejected their messiah and God ended their covenant status in 70 AD when He destroyed the earthly temple and set up the Jerusalem above.
Then why does the Bible speak of a future time of Jacob's trouble, or a time now where God is waiting for the fullness of Gentiles to be realized before He turns His attention back to Israel, and what about the quote in Zechariah 12:10
10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.
And all of the "grafted in" terminology in Romans is that the believing Gentiles are grafted in to the Jews. Without the remaining root the new graft will not exist. Yes, our only hope is in Jesus, but God is not going back on His promises to Abraham and His descendents. I'm surprised Truth About Cancer has fallen for replacement theology. Revelation makes it so clear that God has separate plans for both Jews and Gentiles.
Jacob's trouble--you don't think the destruction of the Temple and the levelling of the city of Jerusalem was trouble for Jacob? And regarding the separate plans for Jews and Gentiles, you do err in not seeing the whole plan was for God to gather all as one in Christ...you know, "neither Jew nor Greek" and all that. And, God did what he promised and fulfilled what He intended. You may wish to detract from the glorious fulfillment of Christ's mission by looking to earthly matters, but I'll stick with the Apostle John, who saw through the earthly to the heavenly, which is why he was the Apostle whom Jesus loved. :)
You are 100 % in agreement with true apostolic context! Keep sowing seeds! Hopefully, many will fall on good ground. Truth is the only way the kingdom will keep advancing. False premises like dispensationalism must be taught away! I pray God bless you, your work and your sphere in Jesus' name
💯
I think the idea of a separate plans is heretical. Jesus said He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life and no man comes to the Father but by Him (John 14:6).
Yes, I can see how the way I said it sounds heretical, but if you read Revelation it's clear that the church is treated differently in the end, than the Jews. Yes, we're all saved by Jesus and no other way. Abraham's faith was counted to him as righteousness. Jesus is our righteousness.
Believing gentiles are grafted into believing Jews. And the Zechariah passage did indeed happen during the first century, the last days of the old covenant.
It doesn’t say “grafted into believing Jews”……you’re adding to the word of God! Plus why would God go to all the trouble to describe Jesus return to Israel to save 1/3 of that Nation….and why would He go into great description of Jerusalem being a burdensome stone and those who trouble themselves with her shall be cut to pieces….though ALL THE EARTH BE AGAINST HER….and further describing how the people flee after a huge earthquake that splits the mount of Olives……and God promises to destroy all nations that come against Jerusalem?? And Jesus coming to the Mt. of Olives? Why does God go to all this effort to describe the future of Israel if Jesus fulfilled all of this in His coming? Every jot and ever title of Gods word will be fulfilled! God NEVER EVER GOES BACK ON HIS PROMISES…nor does He not fulfill His spoken word! There is a further for the State of Israel….God says so! And He does not Lie!
In Romans 9:6, it states: “Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:” So who is Israel? Paul explains in v. 8: "This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.” And in 9:27, Paul quotes Isa. 10:22-23: "Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved, for the Lord will carry out his sentence upon the earth fully and without delay.” And this is what happened in AD 70 and about which Jesus spoke in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. And God did bring that judgement against Israel and He punished the nations (namely Rome and the Edomites) who attacked unbelieving Israel. Everything happened on time, without delay, in THAT generation, 2000 years ago, as Jesus said it would. Time stamps matter. That is not the “future” for the modern nation-state of Israel.
As for the modern nation-state of Israel, I want it to thrive and be blessed by God as I ask for our own country and all the nations of the world. I want us to make disciples of these nations as Jesus commands us and for each nation to have a future (as I want our country to have). I want to see all tongues, tribes, people, and nations responding to the Gospel. I oppose all hatred against Israel, the nation-state of today. And like any other ally, we need to help protect them from evil people who would want to destroy them.
But the Israel of God that we need to bless are the people of God in the Church—Jew and Gentile. For instance, the Christians in Nigeria, Ethiopia, the Congo etc. being slaughtered. In Galatians, Paul explains in 6:15-16, “For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. And as for all who walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them and upon the Israel of God.” In Galatians 3:7, Paul states, "Understand, then, that those who have faith are sons of Abraham.” In this respect, it seems clear that the Israel of God are the new creatures in Christ, whether Jewish or Gentile.
He does not lie: “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit” (Mt. 21:43).
Ezekiel 36-39 is a fascinating prophecy that has not taken place. Ezekiel was in exile, their nation was no more after 586bc. And this amazing prophecy is given to Ezekiel. The people are back in the land, (36), spiritually dead toward God, (37)We all are familiar with the dry bones). The nation is attacked with Russia, Iran and Turkey and some smaller nations bringing a land invasion to destroy the nation, (38-39). this coalition is forming in our time. The Lord rises up and destroys the invading nations supernaturally, not because Israel was faithful, they were not! He does it for His name sake! Read this prophecy. Then Israel and the nations will know that the Lord is God.
Ezekiel 39:7-8 “so I will make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel, and I will not let them profane My holy name anymore. Then the nations shall know that I am the Lord, the Holy One in Israel. Surely it is coming, and it shall be done, says the Lord God. This the day of which I have spoken.
I completely agree with you and don't see how any have been led to believe all the prophesies have been completed in 70 AD and therefore God has no love (tough or merciful) for His original chosen people anymore!
I have learned, though, that the "prince of Rosh" (Ez 38:2) is not referring to Russia. That theory was created during the Cold War, just because Rosh sounds like Russia in the English translation. The correct translation is "the chief prince of Mesheck and Tubal" which are in Turkey. Rosh means "chief" or "top" as in Rosh Hashana. No one translates that holiday as Russia Hashana :-) . Turkey and Russia are already bedfellows so God has even brought an incorrect interpretation into a possibility it seems. Hallelujah. I pray this culminates during my life time. Maranatha, may the whole world see Jesus seated on His throne, high and lifted up, worthy is the Lamb!
What’s your perspective on the fact that so many Jews are clearly descendants of Europeans and not natives of the land they say belongs to them by descent. Put a pig in a stable, it foes not become a horse, and if that were the case, most scholars say Africans are the the original people so on that basis are the true Jews, as all people originate from the African root….
He may not have fit YOUR requirements of the Messiah, but one cannot argue with G-d's validation of the True Israel of God, the true Son who did everything the nation of Israel failed repeatedly to do as the priest to the nations. Israel was set at the crossroad of civilization between 3 continents for the purpose of being priest to nations. Think about this, dear Hershel, if indeed the historic nation of Israel HAD fulfilled God's mandate to be a priest to the nations, the Temple would not have been destroyed and Jews would still be sacrificing bulls and goats. Speaking of following the law, how can the present Jewish nation be following Levitical law when no sacrifices are being made?
The true Jewish requirements for being a Messiah come from the Tanakh (Old Testament):
Isaiah 11 – speaks of a future Davidic king who will bring peace and justice.
Jeremiah 23:5-6 – refers to a righteous branch from David's line.
Ezekiel 37:24-28 – mentions a Davidic ruler who will shepherd Israel.
Micah 4 and 5 – include messianic expectations about universal peace.
Other requirements from later writings, such as the Talmud), are not biblical.
Please let us all know the requirements necessary for being the Messiah.
One of them was being anointed with oil.
He WAS anointed with oil in Mark 14:3 “And while he was at Bethany in the house of Simon the leper, as he was reclining at table, a woman came with an alabaster flask of ointment of pure nard, very costly, and she broke the flask and poured it over his head.”
Nard is a fragrant oil derived from a plant that was used for anointing and burial rituals in biblical times.
By the way, Messiah means Anointed One. Look at Is. 61:1 and Luke 4:18 to see how God anointed him.
Read Isaiah 53. Come back and tell me who that describes. It isn't the one that makes the modern Israelites rule the world. The issue with the Jews is that they were looking to rule the land, and when Jesus saved souls and didn't make them kings, they killed him.
No, Libertarian54. God's foundational covenant made to Abraham and what would become Israel is absolutely unconditional and it is everlasting. His gifts and calling are irrevocable and He keeps His Word, and He does this for the honor and glory of His Name. He will uphold His promises no matter what. He has a plan and He is working His plan.
Romans 11 is profoundly helpful
Susan, your heart is right but your narrative is wrong. You need to understand that Christ has already fulfilled the Law and the Prophets and all the covenants in His first advent. What need is there to futurize what has already been fulfilled? The Adamic Covenant is fulfilled - 1 Cor 15:45-47; the Abrahamic Covenant is fulfilled - Gal 3:16-17; the Mosaic Covenant is fulfilled - Heb 10:11-18; The Davidic Covenant is fulfilled - Acts 2:29-36. Since 70 A.D. the church on earth is concerned with ONLY ONE COVENANT....that being the New Covenant - Heb 8:13. Forget the term replacement theology. Read the context of Hebrews. If you think you have to wait on a future fulfillment by a godless United Nation state to raise up a special, old covenant practice in order for the end to come....then I cannot say or suggest anything to help you. Despite your interpretation...May God bless you for your faithfulness to Him
I'd like to add another important element to the return of Christ. Most Christians understand that Jesus' first coming fulfilled the Spring feasts of that year. He has yet to fulfill the Fall feasts, but will do so in His second coming. The reasons for the feasts He will fulfill fit perfectly with their Jewish traditions, as He did in His first coming. God is exact, and doesn't want any to perish, including His chosen people, the seed of Abraham's child of promise, Isaac.
Those of us grafted in cannot remain unless the root also remains. Their faith (as ours) will be reckoned to them as righteousness and they will see Jesus whom they pierced and will mourn, and humbly receive their true Messiah.
And in this you err, greatly, because you assume the root is Israel, rather than FAITH, the centrepiece of Paul's theology in Romans.
FAITH is the root of the living branches. The UNBELIEVING branches are cut off. Always! BELIEVING branches are grafted in, Jew and Gentile.
You will never, ever understand Romans 11 as long as you think the root is Israel. The root is FAITH in Jesus Christ, the True Root than joins Jew and Gentile into ONE PEOPLE OF GOD forever, with one purpose.
Wow, you've really made some wild interpretations with God's word. I believe it's supposed to be understood plainly. There may be other levels of understanding, but the plain interpretation, in the context in which it was written, is the first source. If Paul meant faith is the root he would have been perfectly capable of saying so. The whole of the chapter goes against your teaching, eg verse 25.
Amen!
🎯
https://www.newnatureministries.org/teaching/10-reasons-why-matthew-24-describes-both-70-ad-and-the-end-of-the-age/
Amen! I am saddened by so many Christians being deceived. There is so much more to be fulfilled from biblical prophecy! I don’t understand how they think those parts already have. Boggles the mind.
Old Covenant Jews rejected the Messiah. Here are a few verses that pertain to the Kingdom of Israel which were never Jews (not to be confused with the Kingdom of Judah) that ceased to be a nation in 750 BC after the Assyrian captivity.
Isaiah_7:8 For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and within threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken, that it be not a people.
This was the Kingdom of Israel before the Assyrian captivity. God sent the Assyrians because the House of Israel worshipped other gods.
Esdras describes how these lost sheep migrated over the Caucus mountains and populated Europe and eventually to all western nations.
1Peter_2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
These are the dispersed of the Kingdom of Israel, not the Kingdom of Judah.
The lost Israelites are the gentiles.
Hogwash Lib54, The covenant with Abraham was a one way covenant. Do you understand what that means? I doubt it.
I understand that all the promises of God are and were fulfilled in Christ...to the glory of God. If you wish to detract from the glory of God and look to earthly fulfillment by an earthly people, you are free to do so, but do not think that is to the glory of God. Jesus said "I am from above. You are from below." Again, you are free to live and think in terms of "this world" but I'll hang with Jesus, who was not of this world. Old Cov Israel had a time-delimited purpose and function in the outworking of God's plan of redemption. That purpose has been fulfilled and now we see the Jerusalem that is above. The Jerusalem that "is" (during the writing of Hebrews) was destroyed on time and on purpose, so that we would know, without a doubt, that had brought the Old Cov to its final end and fulfillment in Christ.
But there are still stones there one upon another... God promised an unconditional one-way covenant with Abraham. He didn't put a time frame on it. There was no "if...then" clause!
Jesus, Paul, Peter, and John the Revelator did indeed put time delimiters on the end of the Old Covenant. One merely has to believe that God and his inspired writers and speakers could tell time and meant what they said when they wrote that the time was near and that the First Century generation would see the end of the Old Covenant. While one can speculate on the many metaphors, types, and figures of speech in Scripture, I cannot argue with the time element. When Jesus said "this generation," he meant this generation, not ours 20 centuries later. It's a question of believing Jesus and the inspired text and inspired authors or not. I choose to believe what I read.
Actually, all of us are very unaware how much bias we use when we interpret scripture to build our case. "Generation" "Soon" "Quickly" "Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of Gentiles has come in, and in this way all Israel will be saved."
🎯
My bet is that you've never read the book of Revelation.
Iesus Chrestus Titus, Vespasian was Archangel Micheal God, Armour of God,to be crucified means accursed,letter J was only invented in 1524 , Israel was Jacobs name not a place, Israelites were Greek Hebrews were Asian Greeks Fallen Angels.
Agreed. Replacement theology is a cancer and it has taken the truther movement way off course for many. Read Ezekiel 36-30 and understand that Jesus returns to the Mount of Olives to save Israel.
The grafting in (Romans 11) shows Gentiles are added to God’s plan alongside Israel, not replacing them. Ezekiel 36–39’s promises of regathering (partially fulfilled in 1948) and future spiritual renewal, combined with Jesus’ return to save Israel (Zechariah 12:10, Romans 11:26), confirm that ethnic Israel and the modern state remain relevant. Replacement theology contradicts these scriptures by dismissing Israel’s distinct role and God’s irrevocable covenant.
Your referring to the Old Testament that was fulfilled and nailed to the cross by Jesus? Colossians 2:14
We are the new testament church, please build your theology from the New Testament. Otherwise there was no need for Jesus to come and bring the new covenant if the old was saving anyone.
Of course, all our sins are nailed to the cross, but not the Old Testament! There are still many prophecies in the Old Testament that are yet to be fulfilled in the future, including teachings about the Old Testament and the nation of Israel. The beauty of the cross does not invalidate ethnic Israel's role now and in the future. There is a vast difference between testament and covenant. We are under a new covenant (promises) with God as believers in Christ. However, both testaments still attest to the truth about the future and clearly "all Israel will be saved," and the fact that Jesus returns to the Mount of Olives (Zacheria) and the fact that Ezekiel 36-39 clearly is talking about the lands and ethnic Israel show that replacement theology is absolutely incorrect. Read Ezekiel 36-39 with an open mind, and you will see there is a reason this article steps around it. It clearly debunks replacement theology. So does the fact that being grafted in, being the tree of Israel (Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob), not the church. Replacement theology contradicts these scriptures by dismissing Israel’s distinct role and God’s irrevocable covenant.
Thank you for explaining this so well! So many “Christians” think the OT is no longer relevant. It reminds me of how the Jews don’t believe in the NT. We must study, know, teach and cling to BOTH.
Missy, thank you for your kind words! I agree—both Testaments reveal God’s plan, like Ezekiel 36–39 and Romans 11:26, showing Israel’s future, with Gentiles grafted in. Israel’s nearly 200,000 Christians reflect this hope. Let’s keep studying Scripture together to see God’s promises unfold!
Colossians 2:14 clearly says “the handwriting of requirements” which is clear that the OT law was fulfilled by Christ and nailed to the cross. Dispensationalism is a modern concoction that is a false gospel….stop listening to false teachers and read the Word so God does the teaching… for the last 1800 years nobody believed this nonsense until modern dispensationalism spoon fed satans deception to the church. Look it up…
@Mark. The Old Testament "law" was nailed to the cross, not the entire Old Testament. Again, many prophecies in the Old Testament were fulfilled after Christ's death on the cross, and many are yet to be fulfilled. And please refrain from using terms like dispensationalism to avoid addressing the questions about Ezekiel 36-39, Romans 11, and Zechariah 14. We're talking scripture, and your hatred of different beliefs, accusing me of believing in a different gospel when I teach the gospel of being saved by faith alone every week, is very sad. Don't ignore the clear teachings in the scriptures above in favor of you judging those who don't believe exactly like you do. Explain the 3 scriptures above, please, vs. throwing terms around and accusing people of false gospels.
Zechariah 12:10, Romans 11:26, Ezekiel 36-39.
We're not under a new covenant.That's for the Jews who believe on Jesus Christ
During the great tribulation, and enter into the 1000 year millennial rain.That's when that new covenant takes effect.We have a new testament ministry big difference. A covenant is between 2 parties. A will is written by 1 person and gives.
To whom he wills, you don't have a part in that. Gentiles or the body of christ did not break the old covenant of moses.
Rick, for context, you should reread Rom 2:28-29, 9:6; Gal 3:16, 28-29. These are just a few of many. I suggest you take of your dispensational filter if you really want to find the truth
@Randall, I teach on Romans and Galatians all the time, and they do not invalidate Romans 11, Zechariah 12:10, and Ezekiel 36-39. This is not a "dispensational filter," it's what the scriptures clearly teach (most too lazy to read all 4 chapters of Ezekiel 36-39 with an open mind). Replacement theology contradicts these scriptures by dismissing Israel’s distinct role and God’s irrevocable covenant. Explain Ezekiel 36-39 and Romans 11:26 and Zechariah 12:10 for me if you are trying to support replacement theology. Replacement theology is a cancer that has led many astray into thinking ethnic Israel is irrelevant when these scriptures clearly teach it is relevant.
We are brothers in 2 different camps and I'm sure you love Jesus as much as I. Obviously, we interpret scripture from different narratives. For space and time let's consider one scripture. Written around 60 A.D., Rom 11:26 "and so all Israel will be saved...". The context for Paul's statement is made from the previous parts of the letter for his case in point.
Premise #1 Rom 2:28-29 Here Paul is redefining what it means to be a Jew since Christ's ascension around 30 A.D. Remember, that in this 40 year period of time to 70 A.D. the apostles are teaching the nations the gospel of the kingdom. Paul, in contending for the faith, is fighting against Jews who are undermining the foundational teachings of Jesus in every location he has been. Judaism and the Old Covenant are no longer part of the New Covenant in Christ and was currently being phased out forever according to Heb 8:13. Therefore, Paul is clear that circumcision no longer has any merit and that NOW a Jew is only determined by the Holy Spirit circumcising the heart. The Old Covenant nor Judaism can never accomplish this change. Only the Holy Spirit can make this transition in a heart. So, the context of Ezekiel 36:26-27, Jer 31:31-33 and Is 59:21 is fulfilled by the descent of Holy Spirit to earth in Acts 2. There's no dual fulfillment of those prophecies. The initiation of the new covenant came in the first advent of Christ and it "WAS" the new thing that all the prophets foretold. If anyone wants to label that as "replacement theology" then be my guest. However, the words "fulfilled theology" is a much more accurate description. By futurizing these prophecies, saying they are yet to happen, you're actually displacing a sure and absolute prophecy and creating another place and time for such an event. Ponder that.
Premise #2 Look at Rom 8:14 along with Gal 3:14. Both agree that it's the Holy Spirit that makes us sons of God and sons of Abraham. Nothing else! If so, then how does ethnicity, bloodline, gender, location, etc., render any privilege over anyone else or anything else. Paul is hammering, "it doesn't"! Gal 3:28, Col 3:10-11, 1 Cor 12:13 also implies the same context.
Premise #3 Rom 9:6 "For they are not all Israel whom are of Israel". Being a national Jew isn't what makes one the holy nation of God.
Premise #4 Rom 9:27 Only "the remnant will be saved." Only those Jews who believed in Jesus as Messiah were the remnant. It has nothing to do with us in 2025. Paul's audience was the Jews of that day who were about to be annihilated by the Romans in 66-70 A.D.
Premise #5 "So all Israel will be saved". The context of saved here isn't what we think of as praying the sinners prayer. For them in 60 A.D. it was literal, saved from death from war. The same context as Jesus Olivet Discourse in Matt 24:13, Mark 13:20, Luke 21:22. According to historical documents the Messianic Jews avoided the Roman occupation by moving to the mountains of Judea. Every last Jewish believer who had faith in Jesus as Messiah and believed His words escaped and were not murdered during those days of vengeance All the remnant... whom Paul defined as spiritual Jews and no longer loyal to the old covenant(s) and the land were physically saved. And they indeed possessed the promised land heaven. In contrast, the natural land was filled with millions of dead carcasses just as in the days of Joshua and Caleb when God would not allow that evil generation to possess the natural promised land...read Num 14:26-35. Forty years coming out of Egypt and forty years coming out of spiritual Egypt Rev 11:8.
Conclusion: A very condensed version. Scripturally, Father Abraham received the covenant (only) because of faith, not ethnicity. Isaac embraced it. Jacob the supplanter had to be changed to became Israel the covenant nation. Fast forward to Apostle Paul. Faithful Israel represents the elect. The elect were those Paul calls the remnant. The remnant was faithful Israel consisting of believers (not national Israel). Israel was the new nation of Jews. The new Jews according to the apostles were those in whom the Holy Spirit resided. NO SPIRIT = NO COVENANT. A lot to consider...but don't hate the messenger!
@Randall, I’m grateful we’re brothers in Christ, loving Jesus and His Word!
Your “fulfilled theology” sees Romans 11:26 as first-century believers saved in 70 AD, with Ezekiel 36:26–27 fulfilled at Pentecost. I agree the New Covenant began with Christ (Hebrews 8:13), but Scripture shows ethnic Israel’s future role.
Romans 11:17–24’s olive tree is Israel’s covenant: “But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in… do not be arrogant toward the branches” (ESV). Gentiles join, but ethnic Jews (natural branches) remain, with “all Israel” saved (Romans 11:26: “And in this way all Israel will be saved”).
Ezekiel 36:24’s regathering—“I will… gather you… into your own land” (ESV)—partly fits 1948’s Israel (nearly 200,000 Christians among 9.9 million), awaiting spiritual renewal (v. 26).
Zechariah 12:10—“when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced” (ESV)—predicts Israel’s repentance at Jesus’ return.
Romans 11:29 says God’s gifts are “irrevocable,” refuting replacement theology.
Ethnic Israel clearly has a future role. Let's pray for peace in Jerusalem and across the world. :-)
God Bless, Rick
God's covenant with Israel was fulfilled through the True Israel of God, the Faithful Son. The geopolitical state of Israel today is not a stand-in for the True Israel, Jesus, the One in whom God was well pleased. Neither the Old Covenant nation of Israel nor the present geopolitical entity of the same name answer to the promises of God. Remember, "All the promises of God in Him (Jesus) are YES and AMEN to the glory of God." We detract from God's glory by trying to find a "Yes" in a geopolitical entity.
@Libertarian54, I truly appreciate your heart for Jesus and your passion for the truth of God’s Word. I hear you emphasizing Christ as the fulfillment of God’s promises, and I wholeheartedly agree that in Him, all promises are “Yes and Amen” (2 Cor. 1:20). Your focus on Jesus as the True Israel is beautiful, and I share your desire to give God all the glory.
I’d love to gently share that I see scriptures like Romans 11:26, Ezekiel 36-39, and Zechariah 12:10 pointing to a distinct role for ethnic Israel in God’s redemptive plan, not as a replacement for Christ’s work but as a complement to it. For example, Romans 11:26 speaks of “all Israel” being saved in a way that seems to include a future restoration tied to the Jewish people, and Ezekiel 36-39 describes a regathering and spiritual renewal of Israel that feels specific to their covenant identity. I believe these passages can coexist with the truth that Jesus is the ultimate fulfillment of God’s promises, without diminishing His glory.
I’d be honored to hear more of your thoughts—how do you see these specific scriptures fitting into your view? Let’s keep seeking the Lord together with open hearts. Much love in Christ! Rick
Correct - many sadly following down similar paths like this too -> https://christoverall.com/article/longform/the-dangerous-secret-your-young-men-are-keeping-neo-nazi-thought-has-entered-the-church/
It isn't replacement theology. Not in the least. Who did Christ come to? The Jews. How were the Jews saved? By grace through faith in Christ. Gentiles are grafted in. The ethic Jews still following the law are not saved. They must follow Christ. And some will in the end. They will weep for the ones before them. How does this all happen? The world comes against Israel. Come on now, they seat the antichrist. When they are surrounded and about to be totally wiped out, only 2/3 inherit hell. They with gentiles in rebellion to God will curse God for eternity. Those who are saved will see that Christ WAS their messiah. Right now, they are apostate. Some follow the old law and you see the men who don't cut the sides of their hair. That does nothing to save them. The law was to show that they can't meet the requirements of holy perfection. The saved ones, either by following Christ now or in years past follow Christ. They are the mission field. The ones that Jesus said were not Jews would include the Khazars. Satanyahu wants so badly for everyone to think he is a good little Jew. He is much more like the warrior Khazar people. He has lied about nukes since 1996. He loves genocide. That is not of God, even of the Old Testament. On the world of Satanyahu, America killed over half a million Iraqis. Their blood is on our hands. IDF snipers (aren't they supposed to be experts?) have put two bullets in many children of Gaza. That isn't of God. Burning a toddler child of Gaza and chanting "Ali's on the fire" while dancing and celebrating is not of God either. The people of the concentration camp have run Gaza as an open-air prison, killing many Palestinians to remove them from their homes. Of God? Not the God that I serve.
You have been blinded by zionism, a political ideology that has used Judaism as a front. Do you know how many Jewish people want the genocide to stop? A LOT. You join the ranks of the brainwashed. But it isn't too late. This has never been about their right to exist. It has been about global control. Christianity does not seek political control and neither does true Judaism.
I'd guess you've been blinded by the MSM and the Palestinian movement who want nothing more than to wipe Israel off the map. HAMAS/ISIS and all the rest use Islaam as a cover for their political movement to control the world, too.
They’re all terrorists. Both sides.
Israel was never replaced. It has always consisted of BELIEVERS IN THE PROMISE, either Jew or Gentile.
Unbelievers of all ages were destroyed: Shiloh (1 Sam); Solomon's Temple (Jeremiah, Ezekiel), Second Temple (Matt. 24, Lk. 21, Mk 13).
2025 Geopolitical Israel is a Christ-hating nation of unbelievers whose destiny is the same.
But out of that morass, individuals may still repent and come to faith, just like Paul (Rom. 11:1-6). Paul points to himself, a Jew of the tribe of Benjamin, unbeliever, persecutor of the church, who repented and came to faith because of the grace of God towards him, "a remnant chosen by grace" (Rom. 11:5). If unbelievers in geopolitical Israel refuse to repent like Paul did, their destiny is PERDITION.
The Bible tells no other story of salvation, not in the least Darby and Scofield's twisted Kabbalist version which yoh have sadly swallowed as I once did.
Wow. A "Christ-hating nation"? No. Nearly 200,000 Christians live in peace in Israel, and the nation welcomes Christians with open arms (unlike many Muslim nations who truly hate Christians). I think almost everyone on this board believes in the same Gospel of being saved by Christ alone, so your attack is unfounded when setting up a strawman false argument that those who disagree with you on Israel believe in a different gospel (very sad). Please quit putting people in a box and review Romans 11 (all Israel will be saved), Zechariah 12:10, and Ezekiel 36-39. They clearly refute replacement theology.
As a former missionary in Israel I can safely assert you know *nothing* of the rabid antichrist nature of their religious authorities. Christians in Israel are resented, hated, persecuted, discriminated against.
Like the night in Jerusalem, Rosh HaShanah 2007 we were violently assaulted by a riot of 200+ ultra Orthodox.
Like the time in Bnei Barak we were assaulted in the marketplace and had bricks thrown at us.
Like the time we were in Hebron and the Arab muslims set fire to one of the girl's hair and swore to kill us if we returned.
Like the time in Haifa when the antimissionaries found us dining in a restaurant and overturned our table and ran us out.
You dont even know their flag is literally flying the Kabbalist symbol of satan, Metatron's Cube, right in front of your face.
How can you possibly know the deception and violence of the most wicked nation on earth besides America when you sit in a comfortable armchair far away, pretending your warped theology is an excuse for knowledge?
Dispensationalists: the most brainwashed Christians on earth. Because I wad one, once. GOOD RIDDANCE TO DISPENSATIONALISM'S UTTER HERESY, and most of all, their blind, uncritical support for satan's empire in the middle east.
Dear friend @JP,
I’m deeply sorry for the violence you faced in Israel—those experiences hurt, and I pray for your healing. We share faith in Christ alone for salvation, uniting us.
My view isn’t tied to dispensationalism but to Scripture.
Romans 11:17–18 says, “You, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in… do not be arrogant toward the branches” (ESV). The olive tree is Israel’s covenant, with Gentiles joining, not replacing ethnic Jews.
Romans 11:26 promises, “All Israel will be saved” (ESV). Ezekiel 36:24—“I will… gather you… into your own land” (ESV)—fits 1948’s Israel (nearly 200,000 Christians).
Zechariah 12:10 foretells Israel’s repentance.
Let’s pray for peace, not division. Can we explore Romans 11, Ezekiel 36–39, or Zechariah 12 together?
In Christ’s love, Rick
Unbelieving “Ethnic Jews” are already excluded:
———
For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God. (Romans 2:28-29)
For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. (Romans 9:6-8)
Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. (Galatians 3:7)
You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bear fruit in keeping with repentance. And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham. Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.(Matthew 3:7-10)
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! Behold, your house is forsaken. And I tell you, you will not see me until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!’(Luke 13:34-35)
But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian [the Mosaic Covenant], for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise. (Galatians 3:26-29)
For he himself [Christ] is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. (Ephesians 2:14-16)
———
It is only believing ethnic Israelites, like Paul (Rom. 9:1-2, where he mentions his individual conversion as a son of Benjamin), who are included in “The Israel of God.” The rest are cut off, but they can return if they repent as individuals and believe in Christ for salvation, the same method as the unbelieving Gentiles (Romans 11):
And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. (Romans 11:23)
This verse has a clear inference: If they continue in unbelief, they remain cut off.
So is the geopolitical entity “Israel” in 2025 continuing in belief or unbelief? Are they in or are the out? And so I force you into an inescapable trap.
If 2025 “Israel” is continuing in belief, why do they commit so many unspeakable horrors against Christians, against children, against their neighbours and brothers (Lev. 19:18 - Love your neighbour)? So you have a nation whose fruits are not keeping with repentance, exactly as John the Baptist said against the Pharisees 2000 years ago, whose ultimate destiny is to perish utterly, just like the unbelieving Pharisees did in 70 A.D.
If 2025 “Israel” is continuing in unbelief, then on what basis do they merit the blessings of living in the land? Because of the Mosaic Covenant? God says over and over, from Deuteronomy through the prophets, unbelief leads to certain exile and death; belief leads to reconcilitation, peace and life (excellent example in Saul, 1 Chr. 10:13-14, which specifically mentions handing the Kingdom over to a believer, David, which is analagous to taking the Kingdom from ethnic Israel and giving it over to the Gentiles, Matt. 21:43).
But the dispensationalist must warp the ENTIRE bible to say ethnic Israel is exempt; they may be blessed for continuing in unbelief, they may enjoy the fruits of the land, they may live unwalled and at peace (compare Deut. 28:1-14; Lev 26:3-13, esp vv.5-6 with Ezek. 38:8, 11 “a people dwelling securely without walls” infers the position of BELIEF in Lev. 26:3, 5-6); they may succeed against their foes in battle, they may expand their territory by trampling on the blood of the goyyim.
Ezekiel 38:8 & 11 imply the BELIEVING CONDITION of Lev. 26:3, 5-6. Your doctrine that God restores unbelieving Israel to the land is such a gross abberation of the teaching of all Scripture from Gen 3 and following. Nowhere at anytime is unbelieving Israel ever rewarded with “dwelling securely without walls”, the contorted and self-contradictory reading of dispensationalism.
When Israel rejected Christ by crucifying Him, they accepted the curse of Deut. 18:18-19:
“And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him.”
And require it He did.
Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruits. And the one who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; and when it falls on anyone, it will crush him. (Matt. 21:43-44)
As an arborist I must say if the axe goes to the root then the graft will also die. There are no true believers unless Abraham's promised child, Isaac's descendants, also survive. Thank God!
@JP, Thanks for your zeal for Jesus—we’re united in trusting Christ alone for salvation!
I’m sorry for the pain you faced in Israel; I pray for healing. My view isn’t dispensationalism but Scripture.
Romans 11:17–18 says, “You, a wild olive shoot, were grafted in… do not be arrogant toward the branches”. The olive tree is Israel’s covenant; Gentiles join, not replace, ethnic Jews.
Romans 11:26 promises, “All Israel will be saved”, beyond believers, as
Romans 11:28–29 notes Israel’s “irrevocable” election: “They are beloved… the gifts… are irrevocable.” Ezekiel 36:24—“I will… gather you… into your own land” —fits 1948’s Israel (nearly 200,000 Christians), with renewal coming (v. 26), done for God’s name (v. 22), not belief (contra Ezekiel 38:8).
Zechariah 12:10 foretells repentance: “when they look on… him whom they have pierced”.
Matthew 21:43 transfers the kingdom but doesn’t nullify Israel’s role. Israel’s challenges exist, but nearly 200,000 Christians thrive there.
Can we discuss Romans 11, Ezekiel 36–39, or Zechariah 12?
In Christ’s love, Rick.
Thanks so much for sharing that, and your gentle patience in explaining over and over. I am so glad I learned of Darby and Scoff-ield's utter twisting. I have found that once lies have been believed, it's so awfully hard to expose the deception and they hold to their false views NO MATTER WHAT. but we must make a few attempts at least to reach those -- as I was once deceived in many things also, not just by false commentaries, by polluted Bible versions too, like the ESV, NIV and all copyrighted versions, and the Israel Bible, etc. Like Titus 3:9-11, I made far too many attempts, until finally knowing they were subverted and could not be reached. But to keep praying they will. Praying for Rick that his faith is in the real Jesus Christ and not that imposter "other jesus", or "other gospel." Blessings!
The encouragement is appreciated.
It is indeed as Charles Mackay said in his book, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds:
"Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one."
This is very true of Zionists who, no matter how much death, destruction, lies and unbelief their position reaps in the world, they only dig their heels in deeper and refuse to repent, just as the Jerusalem-defending Pharisees before them.
incorrect https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AfZlLxyYNE
plus you can fight against all you want
but bible prophecy proves you a liar/deceived
all prophecy re Israel HAS come true, IS coming true and WILL come true
You just get to fill your cup of lies/wrath/hate so that His return for them is sooner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqAXLKIzehs&t=4s
🎯
correct https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AfZlLxyYNE
Ask yourself and do a deep study on “Who and what is the ISRAEL of God”. You’re not seeing because of confusion to this definition.
@Linda Thanks for encouraging study—I agree we should dig into Scripture!
The “Israel of God” in Galatians 6:16 means believers, Jew and Gentile, grafted into God’s plan (Romans 11:17–24). However, Romans 11:26 states, “all Israel will be saved.” At the same time, Zechariah 12:10 shows Jews turning to Jesus, and Ezekiel 36–39 predicts Israel’s regathering and a new heart—future events for ethnic Israel, not just the Church.
Israel’s nearly 200,000 Christians live peacefully, unlike in some nations. We all trust Christ alone for salvation. Can we discuss Romans 11 or Ezekiel? Replacement theology misses Israel’s covenant role.
“All Israel”, the Jew ,the Gentile the ‘whosoever’ is the Israel of God. This is your ALL ISRAEL and as you point out in Zechariah. Jews did come to Jesus and even now, still do.
Abraham’s natural seed includes all his physical descendants—Ishmael and Isaac, Jacob and Esau, Jews and Arabs alike. Yet God made clear that lineage descent doesn’t guarantee inheritance of the covenant (Genesis 17:19-21; Romans 9:7).
the natural seed refers specifically to Jacob’s descendants—the nation of Israel. While this group received unique privileges (Romans 9:4-5), even they weren’t guaranteed spiritual blessings without faith (Jeremiah 4:4).
Abraham’s spiritual seed encompasses all true believers in Christ, whether Jew or Gentile. As Paul explains it, "IF you belong to Christ, THEN you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise" (Galatians 3:29). Covenant language.
The singular Seed is Christ Himself (Galatians 3:16). Every spiritual blessing flows through Jesus alone,
ethnic Israel was preserved through faith (Romans 11:5), the majority were hardened in unbelief. Significantly, even Jewish believers only entered this new covenant community through faith, not ethnic privilege, just as Gentile believers were grafted in as wild branches (Romans 11:17-24). Read Stephen’s words in Acts
@Linda,
Thanks for your thoughtful reply—I’m grateful we both love Jesus and His Word! I agree that believers, Jew and Gentile, are Abraham’s spiritual seed (Galatians 3:29), but ethnic Israel still has a role.
Romans 11:17–18 says, “You, a wild olive shoot, were grafted in… do not be arrogant toward the branches” (ESV). The olive tree is Israel’s covenant, with Gentiles joining, not replacing Jews.
Romans 11:26 promises, “All Israel will be saved” (ESV), and Ezekiel 36:24—“I will… gather you… into your own land” (ESV)—points to 1948’s Israel (nearly 200,000 Christians) and future renewal.
Zechariah 12:10 shows Israel’s repentance.
Stephen’s speech (Acts 7) rebukes unbelief, not Israel’s covenant, per Romans 11:29.
Let’s pray for peace. Can we discuss Romans 11:26 or Ezekiel 36?
In Christ’s love, Rick
Very well put J.P.! Write on brother...
Attempting to persuade Christian Zionists is sadly as effective as banging your head against a wall. I was one. Nothing was ever going to persuade me that geopolitical Israel has no function in God's plan of salvation.
I have since learned that this Rothschild parasite of the middle east is but the beachhead of the slowly forming Satanic World Empire that shall ultimately be home to the Antichrist and shall be the Talmudic spearhead which will eventually persecute and devastate Christianity worldwide. Our blood shall run at their hands and noone will stop them, until He Comes to reward His faithful martyrs.
Soli Deo gloria, I am ready.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZv2H72itns
I totally agree with you. God made a promise to Abraham and He doesn’t change His mind. So many Christian’s think the church is the chosen people. The Bible says the gentiles were grafted in with the Jews after Jesus died for our sins. We have the privilege of being one of God’s chosen because Jesus made a way for us. But that doesn’t mean the Jews are no longer God’s chosen people. Just look at all the miracles God has performed for them. Especially the miracle of Jews from around the world returning to Israel. That fulfilled a promise God made in the Old Testament. God made a forever covenant with His chosen people which includes Abraham’s descendants. He doesn’t change that even if some of His people are “evil”. Please be open to accept the Jews as God chosen people. And don’t forget Jesus was Jewish!
We even had friends that moved there as missionaries only to find out that her real mum (she was adopted) was Jewish. Just another example of the mircaculous way God is bringing His people home.
The theology you speak of is biblical, Roman’s and Galatians clearly lay this out in the open.
@Mark, it's Hard to see who you are replying to. However, please review Romans 11 (all Israel will be saved), Zechariah 12:10, and Ezekiel 36-39. These do not support replacement theology. Forgive me if I misunderstood who you were replying to.
I agree.
Jesus told the crowds in the sermon on the mount (Matt.5) that his purpose in coming to this world was, to “To fulfil the law and prophets." Are you suggesting Christ failed in His mission? That He failed in His central purpose for coming? That he failed to fulfil what he said he came to fullfil? Only if he failed could there still be anything left to fulfil.
@Benjamin Silly, not one person is suggesting that, and you are setting up a strawman, accusing people of believing a different gospel because they disagree with you on Israel (sad, as we all here have Jesus as our Savior). Please review Romans 11 (all Israel will be saved), Zechariah 12:10, and Ezekiel 36-39. All clearly teach against replacement theology, but it does not change our belief in the finished work on the cross and that we are saved by Christ alone. Paul says a believing Jew can be grafted in more easily than Gentiles. Why? Because the tree was not replaced.
When you quote the words, "All Israel will be saved," you should have elaborated precisely, on what you meant by "Israel?" For instance, it could mean a national geographical location or a racial ethnicity of people?
For the record, I believe the "Israel" to which you refer, to be exactly what The Apostle Paul taught is was in Galatians 6: 14-16. Paul makes the point clear, the Israel he is referring to has nothing whatsoever to do with geography or race.
I may be what you call silly, but my faith is firmly anchored in Christ, the head of the "Church," "The Israel of God." I am definitely part of THAT Israel!
@Benjamin, Thanks for your reply—I didn’t mean “silly” harshly, brother! We’re united in trusting Christ alone for salvation.
Galatians 6:16’s “Israel of God” is believers, but Romans 11:26’s “all Israel will be saved” refers to ethnic Jews, distinct from Gentiles (Romans 11:25). The olive tree in Romans 11:17–18—“You, a wild olive shoot, were grafted in… do not be arrogant” —is Israel’s covenant; Gentiles join, not replace, ethnic Jews.
Ezekiel 36:24—“I will… gather you… into your own land” —fits 1948’s Israel (nearly 200,000 Christians), with renewal coming (v. 26). Zechariah 12:10—“when they look on… him whom they have pierced” —shows Israel’s repentance.
I’m not questioning your gospel; we differ on Israel’s role.
Can we discuss Romans 11 or Ezekiel 36–39? In Christ’s love, Rick.
May I lovingly suggest you start comparing what you currently understand of this subject, with the perspective mainstream christendom never touches, by seriously trying to comprehend what you will hear at this website. https://libertyfellowshipmt.com/
@Benjamin, thank you for your thoughtful reply and for engaging in this discussion with such grace. I truly appreciate your desire to share resources that you find valuable, and I’m grateful for the opportunity to continue this conversation in Christ’s love.
I hear your suggestion to explore the perspective on the website you shared, and I understand your intent to broaden my understanding. However, after reviewing the statement from the website—
“DCB opposes Socialism, Neoconism, and Zionism. He does not believe that the modern Zionist State of Israel represents either historical (Biblical) Israel or prophetic Israel”
I must respectfully decline to engage with that perspective at this time due to the non-scriptural belief about ethnic Israel and the future in scripture. My focus remains on Scripture and the traditional interpretations of passages like Romans 11 and Ezekiel 36–39, which I believe affirm the distinct role of ethnic Israel in God’s plan.
I’m not questioning your faith or your desire to seek truth, brother. We’re united in trusting Christ alone for salvation, and I value that common ground. Let’s keep our dialogue centered on God’s Word, where I believe we can find clarity and unity. I’m still eager to discuss Romans 11 or Ezekiel 36–39 with you, as those passages are rich with insight into God’s covenant promises (along with the many other verses I have posted in other posts).
In Christ’s love,
Rick
P.S. If you really want to understand why people have gone off the deep end, in my opinion, and are anti-modern Israel, please see this blog post: https://neighborhood.social/blog/628 (Myth of the Khazarian Jews)
He loves to skip the 'houtos' of that verse, "and in this way all Israel shall be saved." In what way?
"a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved" (Romans 11:25-26)
He does not want to acknowledge that "all Israel" is believing Jews ("a partial hardening", implying a remnant of Judaism will believe) and Gentiles ("fullness of the Gentiles", implying a large number of goyyim will believe) united as one by faith in Jesus the Messiah, aka. THE CHURCH OF GOD, exactly as Paul has been hammering on about since Romans 1, because that interpretation destroys his dispensational division of the text into so-called "separate programs of salvation for Jew and Gentile."
So he omits the "houtos" and just throws "all Israel will be saved" at you and then points at the satanic Kabbalist antichrist geopolitical nation with Metatron's Cube on their flag with that silly, bloodstained Zionist grin of glee on his face. "God won't break his covenant with Israel" he cries as they bomb Christian churches, mercilessly slaughter civilians and children, martyr our Palestinian, Lebanese and Syrian Christian brothers and sisters, rape, pillage and destroy, and continue to fill up the full measure of their sins of unbelief (1 Thess. 2:14-16).
It is a very sad state of blindness.
blogs.timesofisrael.com/chrislamismarxianity-palestinian-christians-promote-a-new-antisemitic-religion/
I can't argue with the Bible or Jesus who said that all that is written was to be fulfilled in the destruction of the city of Jerusalem (Luke 21). All this talk about prophecy can be simplified by understanding the simple truth of complete fulfillment. We can look to 'current events' or we can look to inspired Scripture for an answer to the question about prophetic fulfillment. I'll stick with the Bible not 2025 news events.
Yet, do you believe in Christ in your heart? Do you believe the man he was, and the teaching he did, would in any way accept and encourage the violence aimed at Gaza?
Amen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqAXLKIzehs&t=4s
Becky, you insult yourself by calling it replacement theology. That isn’t a thing, but something that dispensationalists call anyone who disagrees with them. It only highlights your ignorance when you parrot these talking points given to you by your dispensational pastors. There are other interpretations/hermeneutics to consider. For example, the majority of very solid theologians during the reformation held to a covenant fulfillment hermeneutic interpreting end times through a historical view, and no, there is no rapture, normal millennial reign either. Again, this was held by the majority of theologians for a very long time until the Jesuit propaganda of dispensationalism stemming from the counter reformation made its way into the world and into England in the 1800s and then to the US via questionable evangelicals. So Becky, your view is actually relatively modern and comes from. Very questionable origins. You’re being played. I believe a dead martyr over a 33° Freemason evangelical, i.e. Billy Graham. But go ahead you believe you’re talking points and keep interpreting that Bible literally.
Ground zero for many Bible prophesies...RIGHT!.. including ARMAGEDDON..to rid God's Land of imposters.
They could have had a place in God's heart but Jesus came to rewrite the law, with God's permission. And that is stated in the Bible. I just can't agree that killing 55,000 people because those people killed 1,500 of "your" people is condoned by Christ in any way whatsoever.
So you don’t buy into the entire New Testament.
Did you read the article? The residents of Israel are not of the lineage of Abraham.
Their evidence was fragile, and I believe it is absolutely incorrect. Here's a source of tons of information that says otherwise:
https://neighborhood.social/blog/628. (Myth of the Khazarian Jew Theory)
These are just simple facts. People have come from all over the world who identify as of Israeli decent which conflicts with the article:
Since Israel’s 1948 establishment, Jews migrated from diverse regions, fulfilling Ezekiel 36:24: “I will take you from the nations and gather you from all the countries and bring you into your own land”. Here are the top 10 regions, with approximate numbers (historical data up to 2025):
Eastern Europe (~1.5 million): Poland, Romania, Hungary; post-Holocaust survivors (1948–1950s).
Former Soviet Union (~1.2 million): Russia, Ukraine; post-1990s immigration after Soviet collapse.
Morocco (~250,000–300,000): Large North African wave (1950s–1960s).
Iraq (~120,000–150,000): Operation Ezra and Nehemiah (1949–1952).
Yemen (~50,000–60,000): Operation Magic Carpet (1949–1950).
Algeria/Tunisia (~100,000–130,000): North African exodus (1950s–1960s).
Germany/Austria (~70,000–100,000): Pre- and post-WWII refugees (1930s–1950s).
Ethiopia (~90,000–100,000): Operations Moses and Solomon (1970s–1990s).
France (~80,000–100,000): Recent migrations due to antisemitism (2000s–2020s).
United States (~50,000–80,000): Voluntary aliyah, often faith-driven (1948–2020s).
The original Substack was about more than the Khazarian Jew theory.
@Effra, That is what the article I posted refutes:
"Their evidence was fragile, and I believe it is absolutely incorrect. Here's a source of tons of information that says otherwise:
https://neighborhood.social/blog/628. (Myth of the Khazarian Jew Theory)"
The bottom line is that the (Khazarian) theory was based on a first-hand source that was highly likely fraudulently written in perfect Hebrew in Europe and not by a King or scribes in Khazarian territories. The other two, second and third-hand sources, are conflicting and have anachronisms that don't hold up to basic logic or history and archeology. Linguistics also shows it to be a false theory, not to mention massive negative evidence as outlined by the video by professor and historian, Shaul Stampfer.
Based on logic and evidence from analysis of DNA, linguistics, history, and archeology, the Khazarian jew theory is a myth.
Also, the fact that a large percentage of the Israeli population did not come from Eastern Europe also refutes the Khazaian Jew Theory.
went to follow you on some platforms - saw already am on youtube -God bless you for sharing and fighting for truth!
Thanks @zotAnne for fighting for the truth as well. Thanks for all the great sources. I just added those sources to my "The Myth of the Khazarian Jews?" blog:-)
https://neighborhood.social/blog/628
God Bless,
Rick
Agree Rick
The Jews in Israel are the real Jews - the whole lie that "DNA studies prove they are not the real Jews" has been debunked as nothing but propaganda and a lie over and over.....
1 https://www.oneforisrael.org/bible-based-teaching-from-israel/todays-jews-genetically-descended-khazars/
2 https://www.oneforisrael.org/messianic-perspective/who-are-the-true-jews/
3 https://x.com/avygal/status/1758577345441497275
4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXFUkvqnk9c
5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OymtXjNviQ
6 https://www.jns.org/myth-vs-fact-are-todays-jews-the-descendants-of-ancient-israelites/
7 https://jewishreviewofbooks.com/articles/802/are-we-all-khazars-now/
8 https://digitalcommons.wayne.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1040&context=humbiol_preprints&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR0kA2hdUUoxSBW2AjWXVeQjsuiYah0lTLCvqhUAnFvjZpfjWChRWnFDJtU_aem_AYkTLK4kTFLgy5JMQDhhsml8pZl5CqIoa8RaTnCS6laq8pFkwZ2LmR6bCt_DuIk6HNSGXAjnabjIGdSPYYXRT-kj
9 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25079123/
10 https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/study-misrepresented-in-jewish-ancestry-claim/
It is all about Jesus, our Savior, THE seed of Abraham
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR POSTING THIS! I have known for a very long time that just blindly following Israel was insane. First, the jews from 2000 years ago ARE NOT the same jews of today. The original word "Jew" came from the Tribe of Judah. There is not one single person on this planet that can be traced back to that Tribe. What is a jew? The word has been so watered down. You can marry into a jewish family and call your self a jew. You can move to Israel and call yourself a jew. And on and on. Second, there is a HUGE difference between the jewish people who just want to live their life and live in peace AND the zionist (satanic) jews who are evil and are noted in Revelation. These are the people that say that we all (the goyim) are their slaves and we are less than human. They say that Jesus was just a trouble maker and is now in hell covered in boiling excrement. The Talmud (their so called sacred book) has all kinds of horrors such as it being OK to have sex with little girls under 9 years old, having a meal with anyone but a jew is like having dinner with an animal, if a non-jew loses something, it does not have to be returned, etc, etc, etc. It's common knowledge that they celebrate circumcising a baby boy and part of the ceremony is putting the babies penis in their mouths to suck the blood off. I have seen many pictures of the crap and they do not even deny it! They say it helps with the pain. They are filthy, disgusting pedophiles and their father is Satan. Ok, so we have these two types of jews. The jews that run Israel are absolutely the Zionist jews. They love war. And they love when the goyim go over there to fight their wars and die. These are NOT the people that God will redeem. These are NOT the people we support. These people will only see hell as their eternity. God will redeem his people and they are those who have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. The peaceful jews will bow and fall to their knees one day because they will see the truth. But unfortunately, the sickos that run that country are also in our government. There are so many politicians with dual citizenship and the others blindly follow the enemy. The Bible has been used and misinterpreted to suit them. Who else has came up with a word (like antisemitism) to call someone if you so much as question them? In all humanity, there are good and evil. Those that just so happen to be jews - some are good people, some are pure evil just like anyone else. They are no different. For the record - I support the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! Once our people have what they need, are safe, none are homeless, veterans have what they need, etc - THEN and only then do I think we should help any other country! Not one darn dime should EVER go to any other country until OUR PEOPLE have what they need! Weak, blind, and ignorant Christians need to wake up!
Excellent! I couldn't have said it better myself.
Very well said Brenda!! I agree💯%
am an Israeli Jew who came to Christ. I am a born again. I oppose the actions of the Israeli government in Gaza and the occupied territories. I oppose the war on Iran in the sense that this can cause the death of millions of people. However, this artical is opening up a very dangerous door...the door that when is left ajar allows antisentisem and Jew hatred to spill out...denying Jews the right to define themselves or making such sweeping statments about Jews or Israelies can bring about a catastrophe. This article failed to mention that 1) When Jews were living in exile they were persecuted for hundreds of years and therefore do not have any other place to call home and to take refuge in. 2) There is a great awakening amongst Jews and Israelies of all denominations (including Israeli Muslims) to follow Yeshua.
3) There is a huge opposition amongst Israelis to Nethanyahu's policies and actions and its gaining traction by the minutes. Thousands take to the streets in Israel every day calling to end this madness...
I suggest that instead of spreading hatred by deligitimising one group or another (for example by bringing into the picture the Rothchileds and the world control theories) Pray! Pray for peace and most of all Pray for all beings to come to Christ. Don't try to convince others through a human biased perspective. Instead concentrate on the word of God and on prayer, we have no time to lose.
Great perspective Brenda! Your compassion paves the way of credibility. GBU
Amen!
Praise God the blind shall finally see!
Talk about the truth about cancer!
This synagogue of Satan has been a cancer on humanity for too long now. No real Bible student can deny the facts presented in Romans 9,10&11 as well as Galatians 3,4,5&6.
The whole theme from cover to cover is Israel’s failure and God starting the Church through Jesus who worship in spirit and truth.
The history of these fake secular Jews is way too obvious that they have nothing to do with the biblical Jews. Israel wasn’t even their first choice for a name, just read their founding documents. History clearly records the truth. Furthermore, the fact that “Israel” has restricted dna testing after they were proven to be a fraud says it all. Just ask Benjamin milikowski why he changed his name to netanyahoo to deceive just like his father the devil. Masters of deception…synagogue of Satan. They are a contrary people just like the Bible says…Jesus clearly rebuked them while seeking out those to worship in truth. 100 years ago nobody would fall for this scam because people actually read their Bible and knew the truth rather than getting spoon fed by false teachers… thanks for spreading the truth. For those who have ears to hear…
Not true at all! Israel encourages dna testing and it is even required for most marriages. Yes they are secular Jews however in Israel 40% to 50% of the Jewish population are Orthodox Jews.! Jews are waiting for the messiah to come hopefully they will find out it is Jesus. Let’s pray for the peace of Jerusalem and the nation of Israel.
Really?
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/want-to-fully-understand-your-family-genealogy-not-without-a-court-order-585230
According to this article an Israeli needs to get a court order to have their DNA tested.
Do you have any sources?
“In summary, while DNA testing is not outright prohibited in Israel, its use is strictly regulated”.
Are you familiar with the Harvard dna study that laid bare this issue?
It’s more like 5% and “expected” to be up to 20% possibly:
“While the ultra-Orthodox, or Haredim, represented only 5% of Israel's population in 1990,[89] they are expected to represent more than one-fifth of Israel's Jewish population by 2028
Mostly secular like I said…
Your “facts” aren’t holding water…
Receipts please…
Not true ..yes Haredim are the ultra Orthodox Jews and make up to 20 % the population. However over 50% of the Jewish population in israel are observant Jews. Anyways a Jew is a Jew regardless of their level of religion practice. Yes 23 and me is 100% allowed in Israel and DNA testing is probably the highest in the world per capita according to many reliable sources.
Ha.
23&me is a proven fraud…meaningless.
“Observant Jews” means nothing in reality.
“Reliable sources”
Are they to remain anonymous forever?
Ha
@Mark Plenty of sources here: https://neighborhood.social/blog/628
Indeed.
I believe the deception is entirely in the name. To be accurate it should have been named Judea as that was the name of the nation in the time of Jesus. But who of the gullible would support a state named Judea?
I believe this is truly the greatest and most successful deception the devil has ever perpetrated on otherwise good Christians .He has convince them to support people that still deny Jesus Christ and till this day still brag about killing him. He has convince them that these evil people/state are God's chosen people.
🎯
Their first choice was Judea but failed the vote. Second Zion then finally settled on Israel with barely a 51% vote.
Please do not misquote God's Holy Word - He takes that very seriously https://x.com/Zotzri/status/1935733106570596701
Good summary of a complex topic. Well written history. Thank you.
Fake History which much lies and deceit - so terrible that so many of you all in the truther movement/freedom movement/health movement have fallen for this deception! Fairly sure you have given testimony of God's Hand on your life - well seek His face further because this is an area He is testing hearts on, and you do not want to be on the side of goats.
Love your work Sherri! Glad to see you are still connected and feeling the pulse of reality. Stay balanced!
am an Israeli Jew who came to Christ. I am a born again. I oppose the actions of the Israeli government in Gaza and the occupied territories. I oppose the war on Iran in the sense that this can cause the death of millions of people. However, this artical is opening up a very dangerous door...the door that when is left ajar allows antisentisem and Jew hatred to spill out...denying Jews the right to define themselves or making such sweeping statments about Jews or Israelies can bring about a catastrophe. This article failed to mention that 1) When Jews were living in exile they were persecuted for hundreds of years and therefore do not have any other place to call home and to take refuge in. 2) There is a great awakening amongst Jews and Israelies of all denominations (including Israeli Muslims) to follow Yeshua.
3) There is a huge opposition amongst Israelis to Nethanyahu's policies and actions and its gaining traction by the minutes. Thousands take to the streets in Israel every day calling to end this madness...
I suggest that instead of spreading hatred by deligitimising one group or another (for example by bringing into the picture the Rothchileds and the world control theories) Pray! Pray for peace and most of all Pray for all beings to come to Christ. Don't try to convince others through a human biased perspective. Instead concentrate on the word of God and on prayer, we have no time to lose.
G-d gave the Jewish people an ETERNAL covenant. It was not conditional. He has not abandoned His people. He has not changed His terms. If He did then He doesn’t keep His word. He does not lie. The Jewish people should have ceased to exist in 70 AD but are still hear today. Only by G-D’s grace. The fact that we are here today is a miracle. G-d did not abandon the Jewish people.
The land of Israel has always had a small Jewish population historically since 70AD. The Jewish people are still His people.
I will not argue the Ashkanazi debate. Even if your THEORY is true, a convert is considered a Jew and has a Jewish soul. Ruth was a convert. She had a Jewish soul. She is a part of G-D’s covenant.
Does all this mean that you have to agree with what the Israeli government does. No. But I will remind you that G-d can use whatever He wants to set up the stage for the end times and the coming of Mosiach. He is the one in control and I will trust in the One True G-d. Is it possible that is what He is doing now? Maybe. I don’t really know. But I know He knows what is going on and I will trust in Him.
They just ran with propaganda instead of seeking truth re DNA - here....
The Jews in Israel are the real Jews - the whole lie that "DNA studies prove they are not the real Jews" has been debunked as nothing but propaganda and a lie over and over.....
1 https://www.oneforisrael.org/bible-based-teaching-from-israel/todays-jews-genetically-descended-khazars/
2 https://www.oneforisrael.org/messianic-perspective/who-are-the-true-jews/
3 https://x.com/avygal/status/1758577345441497275
4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXFUkvqnk9c
5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OymtXjNviQ
6 https://www.jns.org/myth-vs-fact-are-todays-jews-the-descendants-of-ancient-israelites/
7 https://jewishreviewofbooks.com/articles/802/are-we-all-khazars-now/
8 https://digitalcommons.wayne.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1040&context=humbiol_preprints&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR0kA2hdUUoxSBW2AjWXVeQjsuiYah0lTLCvqhUAnFvjZpfjWChRWnFDJtU_aem_AYkTLK4kTFLgy5JMQDhhsml8pZl5CqIoa8RaTnCS6laq8pFkwZ2LmR6bCt_DuIk6HNSGXAjnabjIGdSPYYXRT-kj
9 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25079123/
10 https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/study-misrepresented-in-jewish-ancestry-claim/
It was absolutely conditional. Have you read the many “if” statements that God laid out in His terms? That’s the very definition of conditional.
Genesis 12:2-3 has no if statement. Since when can we throw out an entire portion of the Bible (OT)? This entire article is false teaching. Read your Bible...your ENTIRE Bible.
There are "if's" but none applied to the Foundational Covenant God made with the Father of Faith Abraham, which was very special to all humanity. This is the key reason of why God would never break His promise, as He is a covenant-keeping God which is contrary to the Cessationists' like Mike Peter erroneous claims.
The better question is, "Are unbelievers God's people?"
If you answer with a 'yes', then you have some serious flaws with your sotierology.
If you answer with a 'no', then 2025 geopolitical Israel are not God's people.
Good luck crawling out of that theological abyss.
@JP, Incorrect logic. God chose Israel not because they were great as he used them to bless all other nations and set them apart. There is a big difference between salvation and God's chosen people. The statement’s logic is flawed because it oversimplifies the Bible’s view of “God’s people,” assuming it’s only about salvation. It ignores God’s covenant with Israel, Gentile inclusion, and the role of ethnic Israel. By forcing a yes-or-no question, it misses Scripture’s nuance, like Israel’s promises in Ezekiel 36–39 and the future salvation of “all Israel” in Romans 11:26.
"As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. For it stands in Scripture:
“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone,
a cornerstone chosen and precious,
and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”
So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who v do not believe,
“The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone,”
and
“A stone of stumbling,
and a rock of offense.”
They stumble because they disobey the word, y as they were destined to do.
But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. Once you were not a people, but now you are God's people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. (1 Peter 2:4-10)
There's your big difference again!!!
Wow, the Gentiles are a Chosen Race because they BELIEVE IN JESUS!!! Incredible!!!
"So the honor is for you who believe... a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession."
"So the honor is for you who believe..."
"So the honor is for you who BELIEVE..."
The cognitive dissonance is massive!!@
@JP, I appreciate your passion for the Lord and your engagement with Scripture, and I’m thankful we can discuss this as brothers in Christ. However, I must firmly stand on the clarity of God’s Word. Your use of 1 Peter 2:4-10 beautifully highlights believers—Jew and Gentile—as a “chosen race” and “royal priesthood” through faith in Jesus. I fully affirm this truth! But it doesn’t negate God’s specific covenant with ethnic Israel, which remains distinct in Scripture.
You’re conflating salvation (available to all who believe) with Israel’s unique role as God’s chosen nation, set apart to bless all nations (Gen. 12:3). Romans 11:26-29 explicitly states “all Israel will be saved” and God’s covenant with Israel is “irrevocable.” Ezekiel 36–39 details a future restoration of ethnic Israel—land, people, and spiritual renewal—not as a path to salvation apart from Christ, but as a fulfillment of God’s unchanging promise. To dismiss this as cognitive dissonance oversimplifies the Bible’s nuanced teaching.
I urge you to wrestle with these texts directly: How do you interpret “all Israel” in Romans 11:26 or the specific promises to Israel in Ezekiel 36–39? Let’s reason through Scripture together, holding fast to its full counsel. With love and respect, I pray we both seek truth in humility.
"There is a big difference between salvation and God's chosen people"
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣😂😂😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂
"For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel,and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. (Romans 9:6-8)
The big difference is God's Chosen People are also SAVED by Jesus Christ.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@JP, I appreciate your zeal and love for the Lord, and I’m grateful we can discuss Scripture together! I hear you citing Romans 9:6-8 to emphasize that God’s chosen people are defined by faith, and I agree that salvation comes through Jesus alone for all—Jew and Gentile. Your point about the “children of the promise” is spot-on, as it shows God’s grace transcends mere physical descent.
I’d gently suggest, though, that God’s covenant with ethnic Israel still holds a unique role in His plan, not for salvation apart from Christ, but for His purposes in history and prophecy. Romans 11:26-29 speaks of “all Israel” being saved and God’s gifts and calling to Israel being “irrevocable.” Ezekiel 36–39 also points to a future restoration of Israel as a people, tied to God’s faithfulness to His covenant. These passages don’t negate salvation by faith but show God’s multi-layered plan, including a distinct role for Israel alongside Gentile believers.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on how you see Romans 11:26 or Ezekiel 36–39 fitting in. Let’s keep digging into God’s Word with open hearts, brother! Much love in Christ.
Here is the problem with your comment. God did not give the Jewish people any covenant, He gave the Israelites the covenant. You are confusing Jews with all Israelites. The biblical Jews were the 2 tribes of Judah and Benjamin after the split of the 2 houses (Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah). The first mention of the word Jews in the KJV is in 2Kings 16:6 way after the split into 2 kingdoms and way after the Mosaic covenant was given to all Israelites and it was conditional. The House of Israel never followed the covenant and God sent the Assyrians to destroy their nation. The House of Judah worshipped other gods and God sent the Babylonians to destroy their nation as well. Then God allowed them to return to Judea/Jerusalem after the decree from Cyrus. Then about 500 years later our Messiah shows up and they not only reject Him but they put Him to death. The covenant with the House of Judah was broken hence voided. The new testament covenant is binding and all Jews that wish to accept Jesus as their messiah are welcomed. But until then: 1John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
I would agree, you're correct, however, the separation of the 12 tribes is not a permanent fixture as that was never God's plan, as they still featured in the 144,000 out of the 12 Tribes. Good to remember also, that the Church was grafted into God's family and Paul warned about it in Romans 11.
Ingrafted Branches
11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!
13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!
All Israel Will Be Saved
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g]
28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
Doxology
33 Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and[i] knowledge of God!
How unsearchable his judgments,
and his paths beyond tracing out!
34 “Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been his counselor?”[j]
35 “Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay them?”[k]
36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen.
Yes, all Israel will be saved. The original post is about the modern Zionist state of Israel, and how dispensationalist confuse this state with Israel of the Bible.
Do you believe the state of Israel formed by the U.N. and the Rothschilds are the Israel of the Bible?
Yes! G-d can use whom ever he wants to accomplish what He wants. After WWII many Jews wanted to go to Israel. Their own neighbors had taken over their homes and businesses and murdered the Jews who returned to their village. Jews experience progrom after progrom throughout history just for being Jewish. Many progroms were done by “Christans” in the name of Jesus. Are these people also saved because the believe? Christians have flaws just like any other people.
Nobody wanted the Jew. So now the Jew has a homeland again. And for this Israel is constantly bullied. There has been a continuous Jewish presence in that land since 70AD. There are Jews from all over the world who have come to Israel to live. There are so many miracles the Jewish people have received from the One Above.
Instead of hating the Jewish People who were told to tell the world about the ONE true G-d, be thankful they did. Are the Jewish people perfect? NO! But neither is anybody else’s, including the Christian who claims to they have it all. We all have to struggle with our relationship with G-d. That is how we really grow in a relationship with Him.
Please stop spreading hate. Why can’t we live along side each other. More Jews will be beaten up or killed just for being Jews over a theory. I am so sad this article was written. What is the purpose? More division in this world? More hatred? More innocent people beaten or murdered? That is how evil wins.
Instead of you all trying to condemn the Jew, learn to appreciate who they are and what they gave you. The knowledge of the One True G-d. Try studying the Torah. You may find a very different way to view the world and G-d. He is a loving father. You can co exist with the Jewish People. Let G-d decide who is Jewish and who is not. Or for that matter, what Christian is true or not true. Let G-d decide His relationship with the Jewish people and Christians and other people. We should focus on ourselves and our relationship to Him. NOT creating hate and division. Bottom line.
Agreed. Well said. The same spirit of the Pharisees and Saducees is still alive today, Very sad for the self righteous believers.
Btw, no one likes wars. However, Trump is damned for taking action and he would still be damned if he hadn't. My question is, Is it God's plan to wipe off Israel from the map or purely Satan's????
My second question. Is Jesus returning to where He ascended to Heaven from?
I would also like to point out that the re-emergence of Israel as a Nation is God's miracle to the whole world and never an accident, but a fulfillment of hundreds of prophecies in the O/T plus from the N/T. Luke 21:24 " And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled." The times of the Gentiles was partly fulfilled from 1948 onward until the full completion upon His return. The biggest LIE out there today is Free Palestine, but the reality is, there was never a Palestine until after the Romans destroyed Jerusalem in 70AD, and there was never a West Bank either, but Samaria and Judea. I would agree about "From the river to the Sea" as that is truth according to Deut. 11:24 "Every place on which the sole of your foot treads shall be yours: from the wilderness and Lebanon, from the river, the River Euphrates, even to the Western Sea, shall be your territory."
The eventual Battle of Armageddon should remind us of how God used to intervene on behalf of His people and that He will do it again. Would that be the time also when the unbelieving Jews would exclaim "Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord".
Lets pray for the Peace of Jerusalem, as God knows all about it.
Rubbish, 109.
Notice they always omit the "houtos" from that verse?
"In this way shall ALL ISRAEL be saved."
In what way? Read Romans 11:25.
A partial hardening has come upon Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way ALL ISRAEL shall be saved.
The remnant of the believing Jews "7000 who have not bowed the knee to Baal", AND the great harvest of the goyyim.
Jew and Gentile together saved = ALL ISRAEL SAVED.
All Israel = All believers in Jesus Christ our glorious Lord and Saviour Amen!
Jesus returns when the Nation call out to Him as Messiah - that will be way more than 7000
All prophecy re Israel has come true, is coming true and will come true
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqAXLKIzehs&t=4s
Well said Lin, and welcome fellow Pyle =) I'm a Pyle from New Zealand. I'm curious as to why you have an 's' at the end though?
Hi Isaac
My husband doesn’t know why there is an s at the end of Pyles. He says it’s not uncommon. My father in law didn’t know much about his family background. They do think it is from England but don’t know for sure.
We could be related, you never know 😊. And if we could go back far enough we are surely related.
Many blessing
You hit the nail on the head!
I completely disagree with the premise that the Church has replaced Israel. All you have to do is study Romans, Daniel and Revelation and see that the Lord still has a plan for this nation. Just as the Church is perfect neither is Israel but the Lord always keeps His covenant with His people.
Partially correct, they are blinded as pharaoh was for their unbelief. The gift of salvation is open to all but Jews don’t get a free pass. Judaism doesn’t lead to salvation. It’s actually a false gospel at this point.
Yes, that is why many are having dreams and visions and converting to Jesus. God is not done with the promise He made to Abraham and His jewish descendents.
Praise God!
Each individual is responsible for their future. Nobody holds a get out of jail free card because of their ethnicity or nationality. That would be preposterous…
But it’s not specific to Jews or anything, Muslims have these same drama and visions and convert along with the average American atheist.
All are called…but who will respond?
I don't think any Christian of any belief about Israel thinks the Jews have a get out of jail free card. The Bible is clear that God is not done with them, but is waiting until the time of the Gentiles has been fulfilled.
Glad you see it that way Jan. Bless you!
But many do think that Judaism saves souls and that salvation can be obtained without Christ. The deception runs deep from false teachers that both roads lead to heaven. Many even believe the lie that Muslims will go to the same heaven because they share the same Abraham from the Bible as if Abraham can save anyone. Billy graham fell into this deception towards his latter years that all roads lead to the same place. That has misled many in various generations that grew up listening to the latter of his messages. Such a contrast to his first love he started out with…
The problem here is the name "Israel". If the Rothschilds had name the state Judea would you still feel the same way. Don't confuse the Israel of the Bible with the evil Zionist state of Israel.
Agreed, the Rothschilds are bad, but God can use the evil plans of the Rothschilds or any evil plans from anyone to achieve his purposes. See Ezekiel 36-39 to understand how he has.
They will be grafted back in. For now, they are apostate and in rebellion to God. That doesn't even include the zionists who are ashkenazi. If you read up, you will find that only a third of them survive to salvation.
As a Messianic Jew, an Askenazi Jew, a Jew who can trace their family back to the tribe of Levi and Judah, I am extremely disappointed in TTAC. Cherry picking of scripture out of context to support an almost anti-Semitic replacement theology.
Many scriptures such as those in Romans 11 were left out where Paul bluntly states God has not rejected Israel and the Jewish people.
Of course salvation is only through receiving the Jewish Messiah Jesus (Yeshua) as your Lord and Savior regardless of your ethnicity.
Also God has used many corrupt and ungodly people to further His plan, save and bless Israel and the Jewish people even in biblical times so the argument about Rothschild is irrelevant. Who cares who financed the re-establishment of a Jewish homeland.
There is much more from the Bible that could be said in defense of the nation of Israel and the Jewish people.
There is always a thread of truth in doctrines of error and this is fully on display in your Replacement Theology piece. God have mercy on you.
Thank you for what you said. I'm in complete agreement. Very disappointed with TTAC i regards to this topic.
“Also God has used many corrupt and ungodly people to further His plan”
So has Satan…
Don’t be so sure to give God credit for what Satan does. Look at the fruit, scripture makes it clear, you will know them by their fruit. The sons of Satan or the sons of God.
What does their fruit tell you? Homosexual capital of the world, terrorizing no different than hamas, lies and deception abounding.
I’m not bidding God speed to any such persons lest I partake in the guilt of their sins. 2John1:11
Scripture says that God will bring them back IN their sin and THEN clean them - all prophecy re Israel has come true, is coming true and will come true -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqAXLKIzehs&t=4s. Over a million on the past few decades have already given their life to Jesus - MORE will do so as End Time events happen, yet those who hate and lie about Israel are setting the stage for these End Time events too and sadly will give account
And Deuteronomy 30:2-3 says "If you return to me... THEN I will restore you."
And this plays out through the entire bible - Judges, 1-2 Samuel, 1-2 Kings, Ezra, Nehemiah, the Prophets.
When did modern geopolitical Israel merit restoration by returning to YHWH by believing in the words of His Son (see Deut. 18:18-19)?
The Scripture only knows one instance of unbelievers returning to the land: dispensationalism's heretical interpretation of Ezekiel 36-39 that defies the entire remainder of the bible. And they miss the clues that Ezek 36-39 is referring to a BELIEVING, restored nation cf Lev. 26:5-6 with Ezek. 38:8, 10, not an unbelieving restored nation, an oxymoron. There is no such thing as an unbelieving restored nation in the whole of Scripture!
Unbelieving Israel gets exiled/destroyed, their land turned into a taunt, proverb, byword, hissing pits of desolate salt, barren, haunt of demons and detestable wildlife.
And this is unbelieving modern Israel's fate in the patience of God (remember it took some 800-1000 years for the exiles to occur between Joshua's initial believing conquest and the final unbelieving Babylonian deportation in 2 Kings 25). Bless unbelieving modern Israel at your peril!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AfZlLxyYNE - the Early Church Fathers taught that the Church and Israel are separate and that Jesus returns for the Jewish people. Also nothing can explain the miracle of their return BUT the hand of God - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqAXLKIzehs&t=4s You can fight against it all you like but God's Will will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven. And if you think their sin is any stinkier than yours - then you missed what Grace and Mercy is, that Jesus came for the sinner not the righteous - which begs the question, why the hard heart? Do you even KNOW Him. I hope and pray for your sake that you seek Him instead of reacting and acting in anger hurt and bitterness.
America is no different….and she’s suppose to be 60% Christian! So toughing the evils of Israel….does not explain or naturalize the promises of God and the eternal covenant with Israel!
Beautifully stated! Thank you.
https://www.youtube.com/live/5jfdY9mQblA?feature=shared
God always keeps His promises and covenants
Your view is called Replacement Theology and unbiblical
Not enough room to quote all the Scriptures to affirm this
It is biblical, Roman’s 9,10&11 as well as Galatians 3,4,5&6 are proof. The whole Bible teaches this otherwise Jesus wouldn’t have had to come and bring a new covenant if the old was attainable.
Letter to the Hebrews in a nutshell!!
"For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second." (Heb. 8:7)
The dispensationalists hate the truth with a passion.
🎯
Chrissy, God DID keep every one of his promises, fulfilled in the True Israel, the true and obedient Son, Jesus, the Israel of God. All the promises in HIM are Yes and Amen, to the glory of God. Are you not detracting from the Glory of God to seek a fulfillment of God's promises from someplace other than in Christ? Think about it.
The Jews who walk with God in Christ have not been replaced, but the unbelieving Jews are not in the root of the tree the Gentiles have been grafted it.
* grafted into.
Bravo, TTAC!! Well done article and citing where those verses are! Every professing Christian needs to read this! I will be forwarding to MANY! This is NOT Replacement Theology! That's the crutch that people use who are unwilling to grow and learn and search out the scriptures! I don't need to be right, but I DO need truth! Even if it goes against everything I THOUGHT I knew before! Humility requires us to search out the heart of God in His word. Hubris says, 'I already know it all'. Shame on you, church! Wake up! You've bought the well crafted lie.....and satan is thrilled to so easily pull that off on you! Blessings, TTAC!! I so appreciate this blog!
🎯
100% do not agree with this replacement theology . The nation of israel 🇮🇱 is the the true nation of the Jews . Funny how even the Quran say the nation of israel belongs to the Jews however they are the ones that came up with this replacement theology. Jews lineage goes back thousands of years . Jesus was a practicing jew . G d bless israel 🇮🇱 and the peace of Jerusalem.
Satan's greatest deception and you fell for it.
No. Replacement theology is not supported by scripture. Please read Zechariah 12:10, Romans 11:26, Ezekiel 36-39. Clearly refutes this article.
Even if u do believe all this
Are you ok with Hamas burning babies beheading people with hoes raping women in front of their families
Are you ok with Iran in their ideology wanting to destroy and kill an entire race with the US and Christians next ? The Iranian mullah regime has said this while oppressing their own people
Do you know what they do to women ??
Wanting to kill an entire race is called racism
It’s from the devil
Wake up
No one is affirming hateful Hamas and their tactics. TTAC was just stating that we cannot blindly follow a geopolitical entity (designed by the Balfour Declaration) just bc it bears the same name as the biblical Israel of God, when it isn’t that. No one wants to see this Israel decimated just bc it isn’t the Israel of God, biblically speaking. We just should not conflate the two “Israels."
Sometimes politicians and others leaders don’t evaluate the specific policies, but profess loyalty without analyzing if this or that is the best course of action: kind of like "anything you want to do, we’re ok with because we want to bless you.” I have seen that, for sure.
Iran's philosophy is no different than the catholic church during the inquisition.
And my understanding is that Islams roots…doctrinally…were conceived by the RCC! To take the heat off Rome for the acquisition! Mohammad was married to a Roman Catholic…..and took scripture and twisted it to form an Anti-Christ belief system! Some Mosques in the Middle East have statues of Mary on top! Islam is a well crafted religion of Satanic origin!
Are you stating lies that were never proven? Sorry but you are just repeating MSM lies. If anything, the zionists are doing that.
Non sequitur so big you could sail the USS Nimitz through it. Sad.
Regardless of all you write, Israel is a small country surrounded by bullies who won't even take in their own "brethren" the "Palestinians." We have a close connection of Juneau/Christian values. Perfect? Neither Israel nor the US as a country are walking the walk that was more faithfully followed in our respective histories. We support Israel because he is our ally, and a true democracy of free people.
The bullies would be the ones who run Gaza as an open-air prison and had America kill over half a million Iraqis. Let that sink in a bit.
They can't see the truth. It goes against their own confused made up narrative. It's ok for Palestinians to die if it's for a good Christian manipulated made up cause. Amazing how there is so much confusion and contradiction in Christianity. I have so called Christian friends who call each other disbelievers because they all have a different interpretation of their own Bible.
Judeo and Christian are antonyms…they oppose each other. One is FOR Christ and one is Anti Christ.
Both are biblically oriented! That’s why Israel is a free country that does not murder her women and children for not obeying a demonic Islamic rule book! Israel has common grace…common decency…and is not barbaric!
Please share what this Islamic demonic book says? Show proof without regurgitating what you heard an Islamophob say.
Have you not read the Koran? Especially where it says “Kill the Infidels!” Do you not know the history of Islam? Your remark is not even worthy of an answer! God help you!
Yes I do. It's in Surah 9:5. It refers to idolaters not infidels. And it is in reference to a defensive battle because the Muslims were being persecuted. Go learn. Stop spewing Islamophobia.
Hamas charter? Really? So isn't this the same like comparing the zionists to other Christians who interpret the Bible according to their agenda?
Two groups CAN share values without being of the same faith. Even Christians and the pagan Greeks shared some values in regards to government organization and citizen rights and freedoms. Jews and Christians are not in direct opposition. Christians accept all of the Jewish Bible--the Torah, Prophets, poetry, songs. Jews wait for the Messiah, the Christians accept that He has come. Most of the earliest Christians were Jews. Christ came "first for the Jews and then for the Gentiles." Even most unbelievers--agnostic and atheists--share some values with believers of One True God/Elohim/Yahweh, like respect for law and order. Jews are not anti Christ, just not accepting that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ. Christ is the translation of the Hebrew word for anointed One--Messiah. The idea of the Savior is all over the OT/Hebrew Bible.
The wrath of God is being poured out on the USA ever since their support of the Zionist state of Israel. Can't you see this. The porn, the moral decay, lgbt nonsense and the rampant crime. Ask yourself if life in America is better now than it was in the 1950's? The Zionists are destroying my once great country and you want to support them. You are encouraging the demise of the west and you don't even comprehend it.
Quit using the term Judeo/Christian values, it means AntiChristian/Christian values. I as a Christian share no values with Judaism. Read their Talmud if you want to know the truth. They worship Satan.
Pardon me but I believe it was Khrushchev the Communist leader of the Soviet Union that said we will corrupt America from within and she will fall like ripe fruit! Also you have a huge blind spot not to figure in the “Jesuits”…who have been out to destroy America for the last 200 years! It’s called the “Counter Reformation”….you people want to blame the Jews for all the evils of the world…..and don’t have enough sense to see the blessing they “Israel”….have been to all peoples….even treating their enemies in their hospitals! You’re hateful towards people God loves! I pity you! You truly have tunnel vision! If anything the RCC….is the harlot of Revelation who is drunk with the blood of the Saints! Might want to look at history!
And another thing, did you see that the U.S. House passed an antisemitism bill for college campuses? Do you know how to tell who rules over you? Answer: Those you are not allowed to criticize.
People like you will not understand until they start enforcing Noahide laws which were passed into law in 1991. Look into it. If you are a Christian you will be considered in violation of the Idolatry law and what is the resulting punishment? DEATH.
https://seemytruth.wordpress.com/2010/04/14/noahide-laws-passed-by-congress-1991-death-by-guillotine/
https://www.zionismexposed.com/the-noahide-laws/
Please wake up.
You guys should actually read the original sources rather then spreading misunderstanding and hatred.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/102nd-congress/house-joint-resolution/104/text/enr#:~:text=Shown%20Here:-,Enrolled%20Bill,%60Education%20Day%2C%20U.S.A.'.
It is actually what it says, nothing more.
Actually go back and read the entire book “The thirteenth tribe”. The author says the book is full of flaws and points them out throughout the book. In the end he states why Israel is a legitimate State and he knows the book will be used against the Jews by people like TTAC and you.
In the Great Courses
The Barbarian Empires of the Steppes which is a book and DVD series, professor Kenneth W Harl from Tulane U talks about this “woke” theory and how it is used to spread hate doesn’t make sound historical sense. The Karzars eventually ceased as a people. He states the the Eastern European Jews have middle eastern DNA.
He is a historical expert in the area he was lecturing on, including the Karzar people.
Wait till Islam rules and you lose your head for being a Christian! That is a great possibility! In fact far greater than Israel which the Bible says she will never rule till she rules with Jesus when He comes back as “The Lion of the Tribe of Judah!” Interesting that He doesn’t come back as the “Head of the Church!”
Yes, both Judaism and Islam will kill Christians and have in the last 1500-2000 years. All true Christians know this, Jesus told us. We have enemies on all sides.
What you are missing is that modern day Jews/state of Israel have nothing whatsoever to do with the Israel or Judah of the Bible.
But keep your evil Zionist beliefs, what could go wrong.
Don’t learn about the Noahide laws, then. You wouldn’t like part where Jews will behead Christians.
I agree on the fact the the RCC is the harlot of Revelations, however how about we take on one enemy at a time. The RCC is not asking America to bomb Iran. The RCC is not genociding Palistinians. The RCC is not trying to take over the middle east for some "Greater Israel". And what may I ask has Israel ever done for the USA? Treating enemies in their hospitals, are you kidding me? After they bomb the hell out of them?
Who was communist Soviet Union? Answer, Jews. I can't help that you don't see a pattern here. Ask God for guidance in these issues and for heavens sake throw away your Scofield bible.
You are highly deceived! No more conversation with you! Those that curse Israel will be cursed! What you’re putting out is all speculation..
no facts! Please for the sake of Israel….and all of us pray….don’t curse!
The verse is:
Genesis 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
God speaking to Abraham. No Israelites or Jews in Abrahams time.
Now be a good dispensationalist and go cuddle up with your Scofield Bible.
USA apparently does not appear prophetically in the end time prophecies. I FEAR that Trump, or the USA, may abandon Israel in the near future. If this happens then God will abandon the USA and the total collapse of Gods protection of USA will be over. The rapture is eminent and then Total destruction is assured for the USA and Canada. I pray for Peace of Israel and Jerusalem.
You have it backwards.
If Trump abandons Israel then God will bring his blessings back to the USA.
Do you really thing the USA is better off now that it was 75 years ago, before we started supporting the evil Zionist state of Israel?
Throw away your Scofield bible and seek the truth.
Thank you Conservative for reading my reply. You have not convinced me that I have it backwards. "better off" is a subjective concept. USA is the most Powerful nation in the world today. Also one of the wealthiest. However, unfortunately, power and wealth seem to encourage sin and moral decay. As a "Christian ??" nation, Satan has his most powerful demons attacking the USA. It is so amazing and wonderful to see Gods end time prophecies coming to pass at this very time. I would suggest you throw away your Roman Catholic Bibles and trust the KJV only.
I only read the KJV bible.
Let me explain "better off". 80 years ago or so, a family in America consisted of a father that went to work and supported his wife and children by working a 40 hour week. He not only was able to support his family but had extra money for luxury items such as a boat or a cabin in the woods, not that these are necessities. The Christian faith was strong and many communities helped others out in times of hardships.
Now, both the father and the mother need to work to pay for basic necessities. Families are literally using their credit cards to pay for groceries. The Christian faith is very weak and part of the problem is people have to work weekends to make ends meet.
The moral degradation is just overwhelming, where do I start?
Porn, lgbt, transgendersim, crime, divorce, unwed mothers, abortion.
If this isn't the wrath of God being poured out on our nation then I don't know what it is. And this all started after our government started supporting the Zionist state of Israel.
Look at our government, a group of people that make up less than 2% of the population hold nearly 90% of government jobs, own all the major media stations, own Hollywood and own our Congress through blackmail. Guess who these people are? It's the same people that have been thrown out of 109 different countries.
And concerning the wealthiest nation nonsense. That is only for 3% at the top, they have more wealth than the bottom 97%.
The demons you speak of are Zionists and yes they are destroying the USA from the inside.
Conservative, yes I totally agree with everything you say UNTIL you blame God (Our God, Not the God of this world}. Our God would never be the author of all these sinful actions born in the heart of the sinful mature of the unsaved man. And if you are honest you must admit that all these sinful shenanigans have been going on since Cain Killed Able or since Noah walked off the Arc. You will see the REAL "Wrath of God" immediately after the genuine born again believer have been raptured, to be present with our Bridegroom, Yeshuah, Jesus Christ. I pray that you will be in that number, to enjoy the treasures of Eternity. I really do appreciate your passion to argue your present position. We need people like you on our side. After Graduation from University of Manitoba (1960), I became an Atheist and was trapped in that philosophy for ten years until God miraculously freed me from that broad road that seems right to man but ends in the lake of fire. I believe you can also have a change of mind. Thank you for listening to my rambling and do take care.
Democracy of free people? You mean only to their own people. Go there and see if they give you permission to enter into one of their shelters. Oh no wait. Only for jews.
No disrespect intended but this is how I see it:
This isn’t sober theology but ideological zealotry dressed in scripture. It selectively weaponizes verses, erases Jewish continuity, and hints at conspiracy while pretending to defend biblical truth. If the goal is truth, not narrative control, it fails the Logos test entirely.
If you’d like me to elaborate precisely where it fails to adhere to foundational truth, just ask!
Best Regards!
Nobody needs to ask a blind guide how to get where he is going. Romans 9,10&11 as well as Galatians 3,4,5&6 clearly explain this issue that the church is the “Israel of God” and are the heirs according to the promise. What more evidence do you need? God does fulfill His OT promises through the church. Scripture as a whole points to Christ and His new covenant otherwise if Judaism brought salvation then he wouldn’t have had to come. Too many false preachers leading the flock astray for the last few hundred years. This was a basic concept to our great grandparents and beyond when they actually read the Bible for themselves it’s was perfectly clear. Wish people stopped looking to blind guides to spoon feed them deception and just read the Word and let God do the teaching!
What don’t you get when you read….”For I would not….brethren that…..YE SHOULD BE IGNORANT OF THE MYSTERY….LEST YE SHOULD BE WISE IN YOUR OWN CONCEITS….that blindness “in part”…is happened to ISRAEL….until the fullness of the Gentiles is come in…..and so all ISRAEL shall be saved….as it is written…”There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer…Jesus….AND SHALL TURN AWAY….”THAT MEANS AT THAT TIME”…..and shall turn away ungodliness from WHO?…JACOB! Not the church as she is already forgiven!!! But turn Jacob…”Israel”….away from ungodliness! FOR THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM! The unbreakable covenant with Abraham…..when I shall take away their sins!!!! FOR THE GIFTS AND THE CALLINGS OF GOD ARE WITHOUT REPENTANCE!! In other words the covenant with the Jews was never forfeited! Or else how can we trust the He will keep His covenant with us? As RC Sproul would say….”What’s wrong with you people?” Even he a believer in preterism…believed there was….in Gods plan….a future for the people……or nation of Israel!
Your butchered up….then….and some more …. Is building up a twisted version of Gods Word which is a sin.
Are you saying that Judaism will save souls that deny Jesus as the Son of God? The whole theme of scripture is clear on this that only those who accept Christ will have eternal life.
”“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.“
John 3:18 NKJV
Also not butchered:
”Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.“
I John 2:22-23 NKJV
Judaism is satanic and a false gospel. Just look at the fruit as we’re taught to do. It’s what we are taught to discern the children of light v darkness.
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANY VERSE IN ANY CHAPTER OF THE BIBLE? No disrespect intended But You Know What HAPPENS WHEN YOU ASSUME
I didn’t assume anything but instead performed a critical analysis by way of logical consistency within the post as compared to the primary substrate of reality, The Logos.
I noticed you didn’t request the analysis…
is it your own analysis? BECAUSE You said but this is how I see it:
Yes, of course it’s my own analysis because that’s what discernment is. What I “see” emerges from testing claims against the ordering principle of all reality: The Logos. This isn’t about ego, but alignment.
Your question seems rhetorical rather than sincere, and that’s fine. But if you do want to engage the substance, I’m happy to walk through exactly where that post departs from scriptural and logical integrity.
Until then, I’ll let the silence speak for itself.
So I now Assume And Reiterate NOW YOU ARE HEARING CRICKETS
What I’m not hearing is a request for my analysis, but that’s OK.
I understand that you’re afraid of truth.
Truth resonates with God, and meeting God without it results in fragmentation.
Destruction.
YOU ASSUMED - YES YOU DID
"But you know what happens when you assume," it make an ASS of U and ME.